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Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things

From wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.logic
Subject Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things
Date 2025-11-16 12:09 +0800
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On Sat, 2025-11-15 at 21:01 -0600, olcott wrote:
> On 11/15/2025 8:55 PM, olcott wrote:
> > On 11/15/2025 8:48 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> > > On 2025-11-16, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > HHH cannot possibly report on the behavior
> > > > of its caller because HHH has no way of
> > > > knowing what function is calling it.
> > > > 
> > > > This means that when the halting problem
> > > > requires HHH to report on the behavior of
> > > > its caller: DD() that its is requiring
> > > > something outside the scope of computation.
> > > 
> > > That's dumber than the Witch scene in Monty Python and The Holy Grail.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes and now if you could just translate that
> > mere baseless rhetoric into actual reasoning
> > with a sound basis.
> > 
> > Not to denigrate you but I think that this
> > would be totally out of your depth as it
> > would be for most everyone.
> > 
> > The information that HHH is required to report
> > on simply is not contained in its input.
> > 
> > The information that HHH is required to report
> > on simply is not contained in its input.
> > 
> > The information that HHH is required to report
> > on simply is not contained in its input.
> > 
> 
> People that have a very shallow understanding of these
> things would say that is what undecidable means.

It is you who don't even understand the logical 'if', and more seriously now,
who don't understand what contradiction is, along with various foundamental 
knowledge and skill.

> That the information that HHH is required to report
> on simply is not contained in its input is what makes
> halting undecidable.

Who says the input of the halt decider has to contain anything for the
decider to decide?

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Re: Stop responding to Olcott by December 2025: who is in? --- not a rehash olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-15 19:21 -0600
  Re: Stop responding to Olcott by December 2025: who is in? --- not a rehash Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-16 02:48 +0000
    Re: Stop responding to Olcott by December 2025: who is in? --- not a rehash olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-15 20:55 -0600
      People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-15 21:01 -0600
        Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 12:09 +0800
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-15 23:13 -0600
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-16 19:56 +0000
              Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 19:02 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-17 02:21 +0000
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 21:47 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 21:49 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-17 04:01 +0000
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 18:35 -0800
        Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 04:29 +0000
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 22:40 -0600
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 05:03 +0000
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 22:47 -0600
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 22:48 -0600
      Halt Deciders cannot report on the behavior of their caller olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 10:12 -0600
    Kaz say that he is dumber than the Witch scene in Monty Python olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 22:19 -0600
    Kaz PROVES that he is dumber than the Witch scene in Monty Python olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 22:25 -0600
    Who agrees that Kaz is dumber than the Witch scene in Monty Python ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 22:26 -0600
    People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 07:12 -0600
      Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 18:06 +0000
        Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 12:14 -0600
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 22:47 +0000
        Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 18:16 +0000
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 12:22 -0600
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 22:49 +0000
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-17 19:02 +0000
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 13:05 -0600
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 13:11 -0600
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 13:42 -0600
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 21:28 +0000
              Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-17 22:24 +0000
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 17:02 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 23:49 +0000
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 19:52 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-19 16:28 +0000
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-19 11:10 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-19 17:40 +0000
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-19 15:51 +0000
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-19 11:04 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-19 18:23 +0000
    People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- AKA Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 09:47 -0600
      Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- AKA Kaz Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-11-17 16:32 +0000
        People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 10:48 -0600
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-11-17 17:42 +0000
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 11:48 -0600
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2025-11-18 14:04 +0100
              Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-11-20 00:40 +0000
    People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 11:41 -0600
      Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-17 22:58 +0000
        Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-19 16:35 +0000
          Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-19 17:48 +0000
            Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-19 17:57 +0000
              Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-19 18:31 +0000
              Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-19 12:39 -0600
                Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-19 18:54 +0000
        Re: People that have a very shallow understanding of these things --- "reckless disregard for the truth" olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-19 11:23 -0600

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