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Re: Common name for a "Task Loop"

From Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: Common name for a "Task Loop"
Date 2016-07-10 00:48 +0300
Organization Tidorum Ltd
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On 16-07-09 22:26 , Les Cargill wrote:
> Niklas Holsti wrote:
>> On 16-07-09 00:48 , Les Cargill wrote:
>>> Niklas Holsti wrote:
>>>> On 16-07-08 20:50 , Les Cargill wrote:
>>>>> Tim Wescott wrote:
>>      [snips]
>>>>>> I'm not entirely sure, but I think there's a possibility that if your
>>>>>> code _does_ have such an interaction between tasks, then it means
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> there's something fundamentally wrong with your software design, or
>>>>>> possibly your system design as a whole.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's kind of what I mean by "dependence on priority is Bad."
>>>>
>>>> That is not how I have understood your dislike of priorities. My
>>>> current
>>>> project has about 20 tasks. One of these tasks is cyclic with a 2 ms
>>>> period; another is the background task which scrubs RAM with a deadline
>>>> measured in several minutes. These two tasks do not interact at all,
>>>> apart from sharing the same processor. The application depends on the 2
>>>> ms task having a higher priority than the background task, and I
>>>> find it
>>>> hard to image how that dependency can be called "bad".
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's  a case where it doesn't matter. I've seen cases where
>>> mis-assigning the task priorities caused different behavior.
>>>
>>> That's bad.
>>
>> Mis-assigning priorities is IMO the same kind of programming error as
>> mis-defining the termination condition of a loop. But it would be
>> nonsensical to say that it is bad if an application depends on the
>> termination condition of a loop.
>>
>
> I don't agree with that as a metaphor.
>
> I'm very familiar with the moon lander and the original use of
> priority. The story of the 1202 alarm. It's a critical technology. But
> really, that story is a story about two basic priorities.

I don't understand your point. Quoting from Wikipedia 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer): "Luckily for 
Apollo 11, the AGC software had been designed with priority scheduling. 
Just as it had been designed to do, the software automatically 
recovered, deleting lower priority tasks including the 1668 display 
task, to complete its critical guidance and control tasks."

> But... if I may restate:
>
> Any design that does not depend on task priority will be more robust
> than one that does.

Robust against what? Requirements changes? Programming errors? Temporary 
overloads? I don't see it, whatever robustness measure you use.

>> I have something like 20 tasks, at multiple priorities and with some
>> complex interactions. I use priorities to gain determinism, not to
>> lose it.
>>
>
> The critical thing is - I never trust that as a solution.

And I don't understand why you don't. I don't think you have shown any 
reasonable grounds for this distrust.

>>> But I would also say that having the memory scrubber coded such that
>>> it would behave the same whether the kernel is preemptive or not
>>> would be a better design and implementation.
>>
>> I totally disagree. A non-preemptive system would force me to insert a
>> large number of "yield" calls in all tasks, carefully placed so that the
>> execution time between yields never exceeds the maximum latency I allow
>> for the 2 ms task. Yuck, yuck, triple yuck.
>>
>
> Is the problem the context switch time or an aesthetic ( or other cost)
> objection to the way this code would have to be structured?

It is several things:

- extra work to design the scrubber SW, since it now depends on the 2 ms 
requirement

- extra work to verify that the design is correct and the 2 ms 
requirement is correctly implemented in the scrubber SW

- extra maintenance work if either the 2 ms period changes, or the 
scrubbing requirements change

- in general, it adds an unnecessary dependency between the 2 ms task 
and the scrubbing task, both at design time and at run-time, and so 
violates design modularity.

If the whole design would be based on this principle, the same extra 
stuff would enter the other 18 or so tasks, too. Moreover, some part of 
the code would still have to decide that the 2 ms task should be run 
more often than other tasks, and that application code would in effect 
either reimplement priority-based scheduling, or EDF scheduling, or some 
similar system, or would be based on a statically predetermined 
"minor/major cycle" type of scheduler, which can be severe burden on SW 
maintenance.

> It could be that the instrumentation necessary for the memory scrubber
> to figure out it needs to swap, costs too much. And I understand that.
>
> And I'm not talking about randomly inserting "sleep()" calls as if
> you were balancing a wheel :)  - I mean constructing a "memory
> scrubber" object that understands its CPU budget. Running the
> memory scrubber on constraints based on estimated CPU utilization.

My current memory scubber object understands its CPU budget: it is 
allowed (and even required) to use all the CPU time available at its 
priority level.

What I don't want to do is to force the scrubber task to understand the 
CPU budgets of the *other*, higher-priority tasks.

And the scrubber task is beatifully simple, just a couple of nested 
loops, the outermost being eternal. Completely robust against any 
conceivable change in any other part of the application, and against any 
overload.

But I admit that the scrubber task is a special case. At higher 
priorities, to be robust against overloads the tasks may have to 
implement load-shedding or load-refusing logic such as limiting the rate 
at which the task is triggered by sporadic inputs. However, IMO even 
such things are easier in a preemptive system.

Can you explain how you would design a memory scrubber object, in a 
non-preemptive system, to support not only the 2 ms task, but tasks at 1 
Hz, 10 Hz, and five (say) sporadic, I/O-triggered tasks at rates of up 
to around 50 Hz?

-- 
Niklas Holsti
Tidorum Ltd
niklas holsti tidorum fi
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Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-06-24 13:37 -0500
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Lanarcam <lanarcam1@yahoo.fr> - 2016-06-24 21:04 +0200
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-24 15:21 -0500
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-24 22:46 +0300
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-24 14:51 -0500
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-24 15:10 -0500
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-06-24 20:11 +0000
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2016-06-24 20:31 +0000
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-24 13:21 -0700
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-24 18:31 -0500
      Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-24 17:03 -0700
        Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-25 10:52 +0300
          Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 01:07 -0700
            Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-25 14:00 +0300
              Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 08:27 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-25 15:50 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:45 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-06-25 17:28 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 00:40 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-26 12:41 +0300
            Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-25 15:46 -0500
              Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:42 -0700
        Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-25 15:43 -0500
          Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:36 -0700
            Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-06-25 17:25 -0500
              Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 00:14 -0700
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-24 14:00 -0700
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-25 15:27 +0000
      Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 09:41 -0700
        Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-25 17:59 +0000
          Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-06-25 16:24 -0500
            Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-26 23:36 +0000
              Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-06-26 19:00 -0500
              Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-27 05:53 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-27 09:43 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-28 02:39 +0000
          Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 15:08 -0700
            Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-26 23:54 +0000
              Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 18:12 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-28 02:54 +0000
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-28 06:20 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" raimond.dragomir@gmail.com - 2016-06-27 22:57 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-28 09:40 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2016-06-28 15:38 +0000
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" raimond.dragomir@gmail.com - 2016-06-28 08:57 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-06-28 16:49 +0000
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-28 15:35 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 13:54 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 14:04 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-06-28 21:09 +0000
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 15:14 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-06-28 22:30 +0000
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 16:06 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 16:18 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2016-06-29 01:32 +0200
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-29 01:00 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2016-06-29 00:20 +0200
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-29 02:07 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-06-28 22:21 +0000
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-29 02:20 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-06-28 17:39 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-29 02:29 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-29 09:50 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 15:43 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-29 02:40 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 16:56 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-29 08:04 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 23:22 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-30 09:02 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-30 02:33 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-02 14:27 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl> - 2016-07-02 14:50 +0200
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-02 20:18 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-02 07:36 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-02 21:44 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-02 14:36 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-03 06:23 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-03 00:43 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 11:36 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-29 09:55 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 12:53 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-29 11:29 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 13:41 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-29 11:49 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-07-02 20:48 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-03 03:07 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-07-03 08:06 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-03 12:39 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-03 21:44 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-07-03 16:39 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-03 23:57 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-04 14:39 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-05 06:04 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-07-05 11:58 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-07-06 10:39 +0800
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-07-06 10:11 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-05 21:57 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-05 12:20 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-07-04 10:08 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-05 11:59 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-05 22:51 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-05 13:16 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-06 11:31 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-06 03:06 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-06 21:37 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-07-07 00:50 -0400
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-06 23:16 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-07 21:36 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-07 12:06 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-07 23:09 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-07-08 11:06 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-08 12:50 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-08 23:33 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-08 16:40 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-08 23:47 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-08 16:48 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-09 21:37 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-09 14:26 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-10 00:48 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-10 03:29 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-11 06:51 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-11 16:11 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-11 12:04 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-12 11:31 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" mac <acolvin@efunct.com> - 2016-07-12 15:08 +0000
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-12 21:24 -0500
                Memory scrubbing [Was Re: Common name for a "Task Loop"] Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-12 21:11 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-12 21:11 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-08 23:35 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-08 23:54 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-09 09:34 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-09 10:28 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-09 14:39 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-08 16:56 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-09 15:46 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-10 02:41 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-10 17:55 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-16 16:34 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-17 09:56 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-07-18 00:08 -0400
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-18 21:16 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-07-18 23:54 -0400
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-19 10:02 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-25 02:56 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-25 02:40 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-07-25 17:32 -0400
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-25 16:56 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-07-26 06:27 -0400
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-26 15:59 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-26 06:55 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-26 17:14 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-07-26 12:50 -0400
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-26 22:07 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-07-27 14:22 -0400
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-08-03 04:58 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-26 06:38 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-07-09 01:28 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-09 09:25 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-09 21:47 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2016-07-09 11:18 +0100
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-09 21:41 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-07-09 20:52 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-10 02:01 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-07-10 17:34 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" [long] Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-07-17 01:17 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-07-07 16:02 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-30 04:14 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-30 17:07 -0500
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-01 02:28 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 12:02 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2016-06-28 23:19 +0200
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-28 11:51 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-07-01 06:54 +0000
        Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-06-25 21:08 +0300
          Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-25 15:24 -0700
        Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-25 21:52 +0300
          Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 01:04 -0700
            Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-26 13:46 +0300
              Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 05:11 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-26 15:35 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 06:57 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-06-26 21:18 +0800
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 07:07 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-06-26 17:35 +0300
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 07:50 -0700
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-06-26 22:37 +0800
                Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-06-26 08:18 -0700
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2016-06-25 22:00 -0700
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-26 11:01 -0500
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-26 19:28 -0500
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" FreeRTOS info <noemail@given.com> - 2016-06-27 08:33 +0100
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2016-06-28 09:48 -0500
      Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" raimond.dragomir@gmail.com - 2016-06-28 08:25 -0700
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2016-07-03 17:39 +0000
  Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-07-14 16:27 -0400
    Re: Common name for a "Task Loop" Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-07-14 20:44 +0000

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