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Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust

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in 667507 20160701 214058 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 12:55:10 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-06-30, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I recommend using less theory and more adaptive rules.
>>>>>> Like we do now, a little capitalism, a little socialism,
>>>>>> whatever works for this time and place.
>>>>
>>>>> Oooh, I see a lot of ideologues coming after you with
>>>>> torches and pitchforks...
>>>>
>>>> I'm ideologically wedded to freedom and democracy.
>>>
>>> Who doesn't want freedom.  But there have to limits to even that.
>>>
>>> As far as democracy, most "democratic" nations use a representative
>>> form of government.  Pure democracy leads to stuff like BREXIT.
>>> Not really a good thing.
>>
>> That's what happens when the "representatives" no longer represent the
>> people who elected them. I don't claim to be an expert on Europe, but it
>> seems from my vantage point that too much is being done by organizations
>> that are not responsive to the electorate, maybe intentionally.
>
>I'm not following.
>
>The BREXIT decision was the result of a direct application
>of democracy.  The population was allowed to vote directly
>on the issue, rather than voting for a representative
>that the voters trust to represent them.

But the politicians on both sides lied, deceived and exaggerated,
and most voters believed Leave lies over the experts who were unanimous
in advising Remain,
Under the circumstances the result should be null and void and the lying
politicians jailed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI


>Giving the vote on issues directly to voters leads to
>the tyranny of the majority.
>
>We try to create "informed" voters with our education system,
>but given the average intelligence and interest of the population, that
>doesn't work.  At least in today's culture.
>
>Better is a representative system, where we hope that we can count
>on voters to pick people better than themselves and thereby get more
>informed decisions.
>
>As I've said, no system can be perfect because the system is run
>by and for imperfect people.
>
>--
>Dan Espen

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Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-07-02 06:59 +0100
  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-02 07:40 +0100
    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-02 12:59 +0000
  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-02 08:09 +0000
  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-02 19:53 -0400
    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 07:11 -0400
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-03 11:40 -0400
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-03 17:22 +0100
          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 16:15 -0400
            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-03 20:38 +0000
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 18:55 -0400
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 06:53 +0000
            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-03 23:33 +0200
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-04 09:34 +0000
            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-03 22:39 +0100
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-04 00:20 +0200
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-04 09:43 +0000
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 18:55 -0400

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