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Re: Time and Gravity

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Time and Gravity
Date 2016-06-11 06:35 +0200
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Am 10.06.2016 20:14, schrieb Tom Roberts:
> On 6/10/16 6/10/16 12:23 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> One thing I forgot: Growing Earth is also an alternative explanation to
>> geological features, which are commonly ascribed to an Ice Age.
>>
>> So: no ice age with GE!
>
> So GE is dead in the water. Multiple ice ages are clear and obvious in
> MANY different geological records.
>
>
>> The sand explained by the glaciers is assumed to have been caused by
>> former
>> ocean-floors, where now is land, covered with sand.
>
> Dead in the water. Glacial till is VERY different from sand generated at
> seashores. Not to mention glacial moraines, etc.
>


The source of sand in the ocean is not only the shores. The coast is 
roughly a line. But you must think about the ocean in three dimensions. 
  The water would erode any material within reach. There are also 
rivers, which bring sediments.

Then the stuff sinks to the ground. Also rocks roll in currents get 
grind round. So we get sand and boulders, that cover the ground.

Now imagine the water goes away and compare this with typical landscapes.

Then comes grass and trees, that could grow on former organic sediments.

And now compare this with actually landscapes.

After you think about it for a while you will find, that many landscapes 
could be interpreted that way.


But than the process goes on and the fruitful vegetation vanishes, after 
the are dried out. Then we get the sand back and see it without cover.

This is mainly  a natural process and what causes deserts.

Internal seas, that have been cut off, turn into lakes and once the 
lakes dry out, the area turns into a salt pan in the mountains.

Typical example: Utah or Atacama desert. Another type is Goby desert.

The Sahara could be explained as former ocean, where we find former 
islands, that are now hills on a flat sandy area.

Also important: air erosion does not create flat landscapes. All sorts 
of planes require liquid water, what levels out differences in hight by 
grinding off anything.

Air erodes, too, but WAY less than water. So mountains could stand for 
eaons, while coastlines change relatively fast.

The typical form created by water is rounded. We find pebbles and 
boulders, but also rounded islands. Such rounded forms of rock could 
hardly be explained without some sort of ocean.

And now we find such formations in high regions, like in mountains.

Similar formations are so common, that we hardly recognise them. But if 
you ask yourself, how e.g.horizontal line manage to occur in hill-sides, 
than former shorelines would be an explanation.

Another hint for former water are sediment rocks, like sandstone or 
chalk. Sediments require a body of water above that location, where 
stuff sank to the ground in former times.


Mountains could be interpreted as former sea-mounts, like e.g. the 
Canary Island of the Hawaii chain of islands.

Typical is the slightly curved form of a chain of island, we find in 
similar fashion in the Alps or the Himalayas.


Now let's compare this with what plate tectonics assumes as explanation 
for the same observation:

Plate tectonics assumes, the mountains are folded up by the pressure of 
the approaching plate. That is in the case of the Alps the African plate.


But that is flat wrong, since between Europe and Africa is the 
Mediterranean Sea, where we find volcanoes (like e.g. Stromboli). And 
such volcanoes are indication of spreading.

At least the pressure applied by the African plate could not be too 
significant, since we also find Italy in direction of this pressure. And 
that country does not look like folded upwards.

We also have the Adriatic Sea as kind of rift in North South direction. 
And that does not fit to an approach of the African plate.

We find marine fossils on the Alps, like shells and fishbones. This 
would be another hint for former water.  PT assumes, this fossils had 
been lifted up, by the pressure, which folded the sediment rocks, that 
Alps are made of.

But crystalline rock is difficult to fold.

Actually it cannot be folded at all. Even in geologic times a massive 
block of stone will not bent, even under tremendous pressure.

If pressure exceeds the strength of the rock, it will break, since that 
is the behaviour of almost all crystals. And the Alps don't look like 
broken to pieces.

Growing Earth assumes - in contrast - a feasible way of creation, that 
is similar to observed creation of mountains, but created under water.

The water is the key to creation of mountains, since it cools lava much 
faster than air. So volcanoes in the oceans rise fast to the surface.

Then the plates move a little bit and the next volcano rises above the 
same hotspot and builds another island. This gives a typical curved 
chain, we find in many mountains.

>> Land does not rise! Especially not rising are high mountains like the
>> Himalayas.
>
> Except, of course, that GPS measurements show the Indian subcontinent
> moving north at precisely the right rate to account for the uplifting of
> the Himalayas. And there are literally zillions of GPS measurements
> showing continental drift.
>

How long does GPS exist? Maybe twenty years, possibly a little more.

But geological timescale has a grid of millennia or million years. You 
simply don't  measure changes of the Earth itself in a year, because 
that is equivalent to a milliseconds in human life. And you would not 
measure hair growth in milliseconds, but e.g. in mm per month.


So we need a million year as typical grid in geology and not a year. And 
since the Earth is about 4,5 billion years old , we get 4500 
data-points, if we 'measure' once a million years. And that would 
actually be enough. But shorter intervals would deliver a finer grain, 
so eventually a millennium is also acceptable.

The year is way too short for typical changes of the Earth, hence cannot 
be seen at such a pace.

>> [... more nonsense ignoring very basic geological obserations]


If you call me ignorant, than how would you call yourself?



TH

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                Re: Time and Gravity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-10 13:14 -0500
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                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 13:33 -0500
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                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-14 07:14 +0200
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                Re: Time and Gravity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-25 14:00 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity "Dr. Bob John" <drbobjohn@hotmail.org> - 2016-06-25 18:31 +0000
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-25 05:02 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 13:32 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-12 06:30 +0200
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                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:07 -0500
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                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 14:14 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-26 03:24 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-26 15:59 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-27 04:25 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-27 14:27 -0500
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                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 08:43 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-28 22:10 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 16:22 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-29 08:06 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 05:47 -0700
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-29 19:18 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 10:28 -0700
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-08 09:36 +0200
                Silliness about "growing earth" Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-08 10:45 -0500
                Re: Silliness about "growing earth" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-09 07:10 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Alejandro Bellucci <alejb@yahoo.info> - 2016-07-08 17:49 +0000
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 08:08 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-29 18:46 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 12:17 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-29 19:45 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 13:02 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-30 07:41 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 08:14 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-01 05:12 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 07:46 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-01 22:16 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 15:54 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-02 07:25 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-06 04:18 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 23:28 -0700
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-06 23:10 +0200
                Re: Time and Gravity "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-09 10:23 -0700
                Re: Time and Gravity "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-09 10:36 -0700
                Re: Time and Gravity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-09 13:18 -0500
                Re: Time and Gravity "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-09 11:25 -0700
                Re: Time and Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-10 07:05 +0200
        Re: Time and Gravity "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-05 13:41 -0700
        Re: Time and Gravity Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 08:54 -0700
          Re: Time and Gravity "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-06 09:17 -0700
            Re: Time and Gravity "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-06 09:37 -0700
          Re: Time and Gravity "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-06 11:11 -0700
  Re: Time and Gravity Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 10:13 -0700

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