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Am 21.12.2015 07:51, schrieb benj:
> On 12/20/2015 06:54 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 18.12.2015 21:50, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>
>>>> I have actually started at the 'GR side' and have tried to build
>>>> particles out of spacetime.
>>>
>>> Actually, it looks like you ASSUMED particles of spacetime, via some
>>> logic that reads, "Any physical system is composed of discrete elements,
>>> and since spacetime is a physical system, it must then be composed of
>>> discrete elements." Of course you then say something like "But spacetime
>>> is a continuum" (which of course completely denies the discreteness you
>>> just claimed) "and therefore the elements must be points with
>>> properties."
>>
>> The underlying principle are not pointlike particles, but pointlike
>> 'elements of spacetime', what are assumed to be the equivalent to a
>> point, but with features.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> Give up on Boinker, TH. The concept of the granularity of space that
> explains it all is WAY over his pointy little head. He makes wooden
> toys, you know.

The idea is kind of difficult to understand, since space-time has 
several aspects and one is space. So 'space' (vacuum, void) means the 
opposite to matter.

'Void' means 'nothing there but empty space'.

This is a human abstraction, since humans think in terms of matter 
('things'), hence need an opposite (void), to have an appropriate 'stage'.

But in relativity space is 'relative', hence matter is 'relative', too.

And this is a concept, the human mind vehemently rejects and does not 
like at all.

But lets assume a small version of the big band ('small bang') and than 
we have the opposite to a black hole (white hole).

The white hole could be understood as 'the other side from the black 
hole' or as 'black hole time reverted'.

Now I take two timelines in opposite directions and let them interact 
like rotation around opposite axis'.

This rotation is antisymmetric and parallel axis (of opposite 
directions) leave absolutely nothing. If they get an angle to each 
other, then things seem to pop out of nowhere ('big/small bang').

Now these things are still 'nothing', but kind of patterns, that emerge 
and stay like material objects.

The difference between spacetime and space is, that space is composed of 
points without features. Space is meant as set of all possible coordinates.

The 'real thing' is not like void or vacuum, but as a space, where 
points have a direction. These 'elements' are connected like one would 
multiply quaternions, what is a certain kind of rotation. This rotation 
has a normal 'pointer' and this is, what gives such an 'element of 
spacetime' it's features.

And there are two, since actually we have bi-quaternions (or 
complex-four-vectors), that have a structure like a star-tetrahedron, 
where axes point in opposite directions.

Longer version here:
https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6


TH

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Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 07:45 -0600
  Re: Future Advances in Physics... Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 08:24 -0800
    Re: Future Advances in Physics... "Mapple Babble" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-12-19 11:28 -0800
      Re: Future Advances in Physics... Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 11:59 -0800
    Re: Future Advances in Physics... Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 12:15 -0800
  Re: Future Advances in Physics... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-18 20:29 +0100
    Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 13:52 -0600
      Re: Future Advances in Physics... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-18 21:23 +0100
        Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 14:50 -0600
          Re: Future Advances in Physics... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-20 12:54 +0100
            Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 01:51 -0500
              Re: Future Advances in Physics... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-22 05:12 +0100
        Re: Future Advances in Physics... "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 00:40 -0800
  Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 21:39 -0500
    Re: Future Advances in Physics... HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 07:48 -0800
      Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 13:46 -0500
      Re: Future Advances in Physics... "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 02:22 -0800

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