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Re: Faster than the speed of light

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Faster than the speed of light
Date 2015-12-13 16:01 +1100
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On 13/12/2015 3:08 PM, John Heath wrote:
> On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 9:12:17 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else
> wrote:
>> On 13/12/2015 4:25 AM, John Heath wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 6:38:26 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2015 9:48 PM, John Heath wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 10:00:17 PM UTC-5, Sylvia
>>>>> Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/12/2015 12:43 AM, John Heath wrote:
>>>>>>> From my shoes it boils down to live with non classical
>>>>>>> correlations or live with FTL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FTL doesn't work anyway. Which direction is the
>>>>>> information travelling in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first one to collapse the entangled states sets the
>>>>> direction of information. If Alice is closer to the entangled
>>>>> pair source she can measure or not measure and by doing this
>>>>> send a message to Bob that will show up in data correlation.
>>>>> If Bob is closer to the entangled pair source he can send
>>>>> Alice a message by measuring or not measuring.
>>>>
>>>> Which if them is closer is frame dependent. To attach any
>>>> meaning to the notion of "closer" you need to choose a frame,
>>>> and have some way of justifying your choice.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia
>>>
>>> Please use care when responding as there is a possibility I
>>> could jump off my balcony. It is only the second floor but hey I
>>> could sprain an ankle.
>>
>> I don't imagine that would cause me much pain.
>>
>> Use a piece of string to tell if Bob or Alice is
>>> closest to the entangled source :<).
>>>
>>
>> Where are the ends of the string? Essentially before you can use
>> bits of string, you have to choose a reference frame.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You wish to explain simultaneity of time to a group using the classic
> train and lightening strikes. A hand goes up the the back wanting to
> know if it is a steam powered train or a diesel power train. How do
> you feel? That balcony is starting to sound like a viable
> alternative. That is the same feeling I have when you ask for a frame
> of reference for a Bell test.
>

I'm not asking for one. I'm pointing out that you cannot define your 
notion of "closer" without one. My purpose is to cast doubt on your 
attempt to determine the direction of the message based on which of the 
observers is closer.

Sylvia.

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  Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-28 07:09 -0800
  Re: Faster than the speed of light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-28 07:41 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 05:35 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-02 05:13 -0600
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-02 22:47 +1100
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-04 09:31 -0600
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-05 14:09 +1100
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-06 09:42 -0600
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-07 10:57 +1100
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-16 11:08 -0600
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                Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-02 20:10 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-03 05:58 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-03 17:11 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-03 17:25 -0800
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-02 10:43 -0600
            Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-03 08:43 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-03 16:56 +0000
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 12:41 -0600
                Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-03 13:29 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 16:30 -0600
                Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-04 11:56 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 16:52 -0600
                Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-07 05:58 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-07 08:34 -0600
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-04 18:04 -0600
                Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-07 06:20 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-07 08:35 -0600
      Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 11:52 -0800
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-01 22:44 +0100
          Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 14:04 -0800
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-01 23:54 +0100
  Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-30 11:32 -0600
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 18:49 +0000
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 20:15 +0100
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 19:22 +0000
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:51 +0100
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-01 19:45 +0000
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:55 +0100
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-01 19:48 +0000
  Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:16 -0600
  Re: Faster than the speed of light Adrian Ferent <adrferent@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:20 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-02 12:11 -0800
  Re: Faster than the speed of light Adrian Ferent <adrferent@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 13:45 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 16:55 -0600
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Ezra Farrow <ezrafa@dubtechno.org> - 2015-12-21 23:15 +0000
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-22 12:16 +1100
          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-21 17:48 -0800
      Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-21 16:41 -0800

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