Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved!

From	EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com>
Newsgroups	comp.arch
Subject	Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved!
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Date	2011-07-09 13:15 -0400

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John Levine wrote:
>>> What other blasts from the past?  VAX and M68K and NS32K...
>> Data General Nova:
>> 32k of 16 bit words (word address only).
>> lsb of address says whether referenced value is
>> 0=data or 1=indirect address (loop ad infinitum)
> 
> The Nova was basically a souped up PDP-8 or PDP-9.  DEC decided to use
> Gordon Bell's much more radical architecture for the 16 bit PDP-11, so
> designer Ed Decastro went off and started his own minicomputer
> company.
> 
> On the 12-bit PDP-5 and PDP-8, there were 7 bits of address in the 12
> bit instruction, a page bit which said whether the address was in the
> current 128 word memory page or page zero, and an indirect bit which
> said to use the addressed word as a pointer.  Locations 10-17 (octal)
> were auto-increment, preincremented if you used them as an indirect
> address.  That was very handy, and we always thought carefully about
> what to put there.  The 18-bit PDP-7 and PDP-9 were pretty much the
> same with 18 bit words and bigger addresses, the PDP-15 was a PDP-9
> with an index register, implemented in MSI rather than SSI.
> 
> R's,
> John
> 

I guess they were trying to offload operations
to memory due to the paucity of registers
(at least Nova was register challenged:
4 accumulator registers + PC, SP, FP).

Presumably this was because 7474 flip-flops came
2 to a 14 pin package so doing a 16*16 register bank
would take a fair amount of board real estate.

If that is the case then I think the TI 9900 approach
would be a better with all its registers in memory and
an 'address of register bank' pointer register in the cpu.
Much cleaner and cheaper.

Speaking of cheap:
I saw a wiring diagram for one model of a Nova
(back when computers came with such)
and it had only a single 74181 4-bit ALU.

Eric

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Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> - 2011-07-06 14:12 -0700
  Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-06 15:48 -0700
  Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2011-07-06 20:36 -0400
  Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-07-06 23:29 -0700
    Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-07-06 23:31 -0700
      Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-07-06 23:38 -0700
        Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-07-06 23:39 -0700
          Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! timcaffrey@aol.com (Tim McCaffrey) - 2011-07-14 01:36 +0000
        Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-07-07 08:12 -0700
        Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2011-07-07 12:24 -0400
          Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2011-07-08 01:29 +0000
            Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-07 18:53 -0700
              Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2011-07-08 02:17 +0000
            Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2011-07-09 13:15 -0400
              Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2011-07-09 18:37 +0000
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-09 11:53 -0700
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-09 11:55 -0700
              Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-09 11:49 -0700
              Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Chris Jones <clj@panix.com> - 2011-07-09 16:21 -0400
        Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Joe Chisolm <jchisolm6@earthlink.net> - 2011-07-07 13:19 -0500
          Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-07 12:11 -0700
          Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-07 12:13 -0700
            Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid (John Savard) - 2011-07-07 19:32 +0000
      Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-07 04:09 -0700
  Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-12 18:31 -0500
    Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-07-13 22:31 -0700
    Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! mac <acolvin@efunct.com> - 2011-07-17 15:31 +0000
      Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-17 09:50 -0700
        Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Andrew Reilly <areilly---@bigpond.net.au> - 2011-07-17 23:26 +0000
          Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-17 19:52 -0500
          Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-17 18:22 -0700
            Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-07-17 21:33 -0700
              Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-18 06:34 -0700
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-07-18 09:22 -0700
              Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-07-18 14:13 +0100
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-18 07:27 -0700
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-07-18 16:22 +0100
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-18 09:56 -0700
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-07-18 17:43 +0100
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-07-18 14:58 -0700
                Re: The Indexed Instruction Problem Solved! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-07-19 07:22 +0100

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