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Re: Hey, Nospam

From "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Hey, Nospam
Date 2015-06-05 14:36 +1000
Message-ID <ctcna6Fiv3rU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> There is no default when there is no contract, stupid.

> If the carrier sells you for $100 a phone that costs them $100,
> then there is no subsidy even if the phone has a list price of $200.

Hardly any carriers are actually stupid enough to sell you
the phone for the same price they paid for it unless its an
obsolete phone and they are getting rid of surplus stock.

> However, find me a carrier that will hand out
> iPhone6 for $200 or less without contract.

Plenty will sell you a locked phone for a lower
price than they will sell you an unlocked phone.

> Carriers do not get those iPhones from Apple
> at a deep discount from Apple's full retail price.

We aren't just discussing iphones, we
are now  discussing phones in general.

> And even if locked to carrier X, you can
> still resell it to customers of carrier X.

Yes, but that buyer can buy it directly from carrier X too.

> So the phone retains some resale value.

Irrelevant to whether there is always a
contract involved with a subsidized phone.

> And you can game the system and make it profitable

Yes, that is what I did with the unlocked Nokia 5110,
the only phone I did buy on contract, essentially because
the total amount I paid was considerably lower than the
best price I could find it being sold for cash.

> (which is what the carriers don't want to do since they
> end up losing money when you don't pay back subsidy

But with a locked phone, even if you don’t pay back the
subsidy, the person you sold the locked phone to may
well do that.

Paying back the subsidy is never guaranteed with a
locked phone, the buyer is welcome to never make
a call at all and to just receive calls on the phone etc.

> and if the practice grows then
> end up losing mucho money.

The reality is that few people use their phones like
that and so the carrier normally does get the subsidy
back with the calls made using the phone. If they didn’t,
you wouldn’t have seen locked phones sold at lower
prices than the same phone unlocked to this day.

With almost all the locked phones, the carrier is happy
to remove the lock when the phone has been used for
a specified amount of time, or if an unlock fee is paid.

The reason carriers do have locked phones is because
the dregs of the market do not have a good enough
credit risk to ensure that they will continue to abide
by the contract they sign up for and its not worth the
very high cost of trying to get the phone back from
those who default on the contract, only to end up
with a phone that has very little value to the carrier.

Our carriers have always been selective about who
they will accept as post paid customers and those
who don’t have a good enough credit risk are told
that their only option is a prepaid account.

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Hey, Nospam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-03 08:32 -0700
  Re: Hey, Nospam android <here@there.was> - 2015-06-03 17:44 +0200
  Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-04 06:47 +1000
    Re: Hey, Nospam BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-06-03 17:01 -0500
      Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-04 14:13 +1000
        Re: Hey, Nospam BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-06-04 06:44 -0500
          Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:13 +1000
            Re: Hey, Nospam BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-06-04 17:55 -0500
              Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 11:45 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-06-04 21:37 -0500
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 14:36 +1000
      Re: Hey, Nospam Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-06-04 08:55 -0400
      Re: Hey, Nospam gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-04 10:00 -0700
        Re: Hey, Nospam Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-06-05 07:51 +0000
      Re: Hey, Nospam George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-06 08:37 -0500
  Re: Hey, Nospam Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-06-03 17:57 -0400
    Re: Hey, Nospam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-03 16:12 -0700
      Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-03 23:11 -0400
        Re: Hey, Nospam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-03 20:42 -0700
          Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-04 14:17 +1000
            Re: Hey, Nospam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-03 21:34 -0700
              Re: Hey, Nospam jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-06-04 16:41 +1200
              Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:09 +1000
            Re: Hey, Nospam me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-06-04 13:12 +0000
          Re: Hey, Nospam News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-06-04 07:20 -0400
            Re: Hey, Nospam Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-06-04 09:00 -0400
      Re: Hey, Nospam "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> - 2015-06-05 20:04 -0700
    Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-03 23:11 -0400
      Re: Hey, Nospam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-03 20:41 -0700
        Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-03 23:53 -0400
          Re: Hey, Nospam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-03 21:30 -0700
            Re: Hey, Nospam me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-06-04 13:14 +0000
              Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-04 12:52 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-04 18:45 +0100
                Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-04 13:58 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-04 21:20 +0100
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:24 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-04 18:09 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 11:37 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-04 22:02 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 14:19 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:18 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-04 18:09 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 11:39 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-04 22:02 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-06-04 21:39 -0500
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 14:37 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-06-05 08:07 -0500
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-06 13:04 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 14:21 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-04 22:13 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 14:36 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-05 01:07 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 15:49 +1000
                Re: Hey, Nospam JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-05 16:46 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-06 15:17 +1000
              Re: Hey, Nospam JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-04 13:44 -0400
                Re: Hey, Nospam "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:22 +1000
      Re: Hey, Nospam George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-06 08:38 -0500
    Re: Hey, Nospam George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-06 08:36 -0500
  Re: Hey, Nospam George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-06 08:35 -0500

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