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Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock

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JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> They clearly got a lot more exposure in the media than
>> they would have if they had done it any other way.

> That is true.

> Step back a number of years, and the investors in AAPL were those folks
> who would eventually become  tree hugging hipsters who spend their days
> at Starbucks flaunting all their Apple grear with the lighted Apple logo.

You don’t know that.

> Those investors see value in AAPL's social/environmental
> endeavours and understand the need for large corporations
> to portray themselves as good participants in society.

Or that either.

> To those investors, the NCPRR statememnt is stupid
> and they applaud how Tim Cook treated them.

Or that either.

> However, today, AAPL more blue chip
> than IBM. and is extremely widely held.

Or that either.

> So you have to expect shareholders from the right wing to
> question Apple's social endeavours which they feel has no place
> for corporations whose only purpose in life is to issue dividends.

It has nothing whatever to do with Apple shareholders.

Those NCPPR fools only got any Apple shares so
they could grandstand like that at the Apple meeting.

> When you are a company the scale of APPL with a scale larger
> than the electric utility that feeds your campus, you can afford
> to invest in your own electric grid that may end up costing you
> less than paying that utility in long term.

Its very far from clear that that is the reason Apple did that.

> And if you end up burning less polluting natural gas compared to
> the coal fuel electric utility, you are also better for the environment.

Not necessarily if that gas is wasted on power generation and the
coal is much less useful than gas for other stuff like being used in cars.

> The right wing may see the spending as reckless because they
> are out to stop "environmental" investments, but perhap if they
> looked more closely, that power plant Apple is building in its
> flying saucer campus may not be such a bad investment.

That isn't what the NCPPR is about.

> Similarly, the Chinese solar plants Apple is investing in may not
> appear to be a profitable endeavour, but may be the cost of
> doing business in China in order to get the government's good will
> which allows iPhones to be promoted by the chinese wireless carriers.

That isn't the reason Apple is doing that.

> I think that very often, you can find business cases behind those
> environment endeavour which *almost* justiofy the investment.

You can't actually with solar on the grid.

> This means that the goodwill/image improvements from
> appearing "environmental" is only needed to justify the
> last part of the investment instead of the whole thing.

Fraid not. 

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Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 14:39 -0700
  Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:40 -0400
    Re: Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 17:05 -0700
  Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-30 00:47 +0000
    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-04-29 18:09 -0700
      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-29 18:17 -0700
        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:00 -0700
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 22:49 -0400
            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-04-30 13:40 +1000
            Re: Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-30 11:01 -0400
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                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple©ñs Stock Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-30 16:29 -0400
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 19:49 -0700
            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 10:46 -0400
              Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-30 12:29 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 13:13 -0400
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                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 22:10 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-05-01 10:51 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 10:04 +1000
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-30 21:00 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 22:14 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-05-01 11:11 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-01 14:37 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 09:37 +1000
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 13:30 +1000
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-01 00:11 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 14:24 +1000
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                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 22:10 -0400
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-29 22:16 -0700
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    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 19:49 -0700
      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-05-04 08:01 -0700
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        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 07:09 +1000
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