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Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac

From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac
Date 2015-04-26 18:25 +0000
Organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2015-04-26, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> On 26 Apr 2015 15:59:49 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-04-26, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>>> On 26 Apr 2015 14:00:45 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2015-04-26, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  The only possible issue with iTunes is that AppleTV seems to like
>>>>> your network having a copy somewhere
>>>>
>>>>No, AppleTV functions just fine without a copy of iTunes on the network.
>>>
>>>  Mine doesn't. 
>>
>>Of course it does. Apple doesn't force anyone to install iTunes on a
>>computer. 
>
>  No, they do it themselves before you buy it. 

Not for Windows computers, nope. And the point is that AppleTV doesn't
need iTunes to exist to function. If you don't want iTunes on your Mac,
you are free to delete it. You're playing silly little games here, and
it's boring.

>>If you have no need for iTunes, don't use it. Your AppleTV works just
>>fine without it.
>
>  Only as a set-top box, a sort of restrictive "freeview" type device
>  not as a part of the network which is one of AppleTV's main selling
>  points. If you want network you need iTunes.

Wrong. The only thing you need iTunes for is to stream content from a
computer to an AppleTV. You can stream content from iOS devices without
iTunes. You can watch streaming content from the internet through the
AppleTV without iTunes. And so on.

>  No iTunes, no network. 

Bullshit.

>  Unless there's something I've missed? I would be very happy to be
>  told I'm wrong in this and to be given a simple setting that I can
>  toggle so the AppleTV box can network without iTunes. 

If you can't figure that out on your own, you're hopeless. It's not like
the AppleTV UI is complicated.

>  Without iTunes and *with* AVI. 

I couldn't care less about playing crappy AVI videos. I bought mine to
play standard H.264 and MPEG content, and it does that very well. I knew
before I bought it what video formats were supported - it's stated in
the specifications for the device, after all:

<https://www.apple.com/appletv/specs/>

If you bought your AppleTV without learning how it is designed and what
it can do, then that's your problem. You don't get to turn around and
complain about it without losing credibility here.

>>Seriously? I think it would be pretty silly to expect the AppleTV to
>>magically see all hard drives connected to your computers with no
>>software in place to make the content available to the AppleTV.
>
>  So why isn't the software *ON* *THE* *APPLETV* *BOX* *ITSELF*?

AppleTV doesn't include software to browse network file share volumes
because Apple chose another way to do it.

>  My Macbook has onboard software (and other stuff I've added to play
>  with) and *IT* can see the network but the AppleTV box can *NOT* not
>  without a second machine running, *ACTIVELY* running iTunes.

Bull. It sees the network just fine, evidenced by the fact that you can
stream content from iOS devices and do all sorts of other
internet-related things without iTunes installed on a computer on the
network. It just doesn't support file browsing on shared network volumes
on connected computers. There is a difference between accessing a home
network and browsing file shares, and you want me to ignore it, I
suppose. Not happening.
 
>  My Win-boxes can see the network with only their onboard software. 

Your Windows computers can browse file shares on the network. So can
your Macs. The AppleTV isn't a Windows computer or a Mac computer, and
doesn't try to act like one. If you dislike the design, you shouldn't
have purchased it.

>  Fuck, even the bloody TV can do this.

Not my television, and certainly not all of them, nope. "Smart"
televisions may do it, but then they do all sorts of things I don't
need.

>  But not the AppleTV box.  AppleTv is broken. Crippled. Incomplete. 

Yet you bought one. You're silly.  

>> You can
>>use iTunes to stream content from a computer to your AppleTV. This
>>doesn't translate into AppleTV "liking" you to have iTunes - a better
>>way to word it is *you* like to have iTunes installed somewhere so you
>>can stream content from a computer to your AppleTV.
>
>  So why isn't it ON THE APPLETV BOX?  Why does the AppleTV box need a
>  second machine actively running iTunes before it sees anything? 

Because it isn't a computer and doesn't support browsing file shares on
a network. It uses different methods. It's about the design.

>  My PC doesn't. It can network on its own. My Macbook can network on
>  its own. Fuck, even my TV can do it.  But not the AppleTv box. It
>  *NEEDS* and *MUST* *HAVE* an active iTunes program running on a
>  second machine before it can see the other networked devices.

Wrong yet again. AppleTVs can see and stream content from iOS devices
without iTunes installed. They can also stream content from the internet
without iTunes.

>  I don't understand why you are so reluctant to see this as a flaw in
>  the AppleTV box. 

Because it's not a flaw. It's a design choice, and it works just fine
for those who made an informed purchasing decision when they bought it.
Apparently you think that the mere act of running iTunes is a burden for
the rest of us. That's simply not the case. I have had iTunes running on
my media server 24/7 for years now streaming content to my AppleTV and
it never causes a single issue.  Where's the flaw?

>>>  It only sees the *Macbook* if I activate iTunes.
>>
>>Yep, so?
>
>  So why? It's a design flaw and a deliberate one. 

Nope, it's a design constraint. If you dislike it, get rid of your
AppleTV. You shouldn't have purchased it to begin with, clearly.

>  I can read the NAS drive from my PC or my Macbook without iTunes. I
>  can read my NAS drive from my PC without my Macbook and from my
>  Macbook without my PC but the AppleTV box won't even acknowledge it
>  exists unless iTunes is running somewhere.  That is *crippled*. 

Nope. It simply uses a different method to stream content. The fact that
you apparently dislike it doesn't magically make it crippled.
  
>  And I don't understand why you are so reluctant to accept that ApplTv
>  is a broken product.

Because it works just fine. You're full of it.

> It is like the iWatch. Incomplete and not very functional on its own.

More bullshit. Plenty of folks are finding the Apple Watch extremely
useful, according to the many reviews I am reading at the moment. Do you
even have an Apple Watch? Doubt it. More likely you are just talking out
of your ass. Not surprised.

>  Yes, I do know it has Netflix, too, and that *DOES* work without
>  iTunes. 

So do many of its other features, including streaming content from iOS
devices.

>  Buying and downloading other stuff does not.

Whatever that is supposed to mean...  

>>>  Okay, so maybe I'm not set up properly but what I have is what I
>>>  have. Maybe I'll fiddle when I get bored. Maybe someone wise and
>>>  kind will suggest a simple toggle I can click? 
>>
>>You are doing it the right way. I'm not sure how you see this as a
>>problem.
>
>  Obviously because you won't see the AppleTV box as incomplete,
>  "broken" kit which it is. 

It works just fine here. Must be you.

>  It is supposed to be a networked, Internet ready device.

It is both networked and internet ready. 

> I can't load programs or services onto it when I wish

If you purchased it with the intent to load programs onto it, you made a
poorly-informed purchasing decision. You don't get to turn around and
act like that's someone else's fault. Get rid of it and buy something
that does what you want, silly.

> and I can't use it to see *my* network without iTunes running.

No, it sees the network just fine. It just doesn't browse file shares on
the network. 

>  Nor, under any circumstances can I get it to run AVI movie files.
>  That is *broken*.

Nope. Supported video formats are clearly stated in the specifications,
and you should have known that before you purchased it.  You need to
take personal responsibility for your mistake.

>  It's a fun toy and I'm not whining about the restrictive nature of it
>  as I knew what I was buying before I bought it

Apparently not if you expected it to play AVI.

> but I don't understand your complete reluctance to see that as a file
> distribution device my 1994 Win 3 box does a *far* better job.  Hell,
> my *stereo* is less restrictive. Also cheaper. 

Because I disagree with your assessment. I find the AppleTV very useful
as a streaming device. And it's not a "file distribution device" as you
like to claim.

>>>>>  The safest way of avoiding this "problem" is, obviously, not
>>>>>  having an AppleTV but I saw one for not much pounds so I bought
>>>>>  it. It's one more toy to amuse me. 
>>>>
>>>>That's a very silly "solution".
>>>
>>>  Yes, but it is *safe*. :)
>>
>>I don't see how it's any more "safe" than the better solution. : )
>
>  I did not say it was *more* only that it *is*.

You're playing silly, boring word games.

How is having an AppleTV not safe?

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JR

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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 17:37 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 18:23 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 17:34 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 14:06 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:36 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 19:04 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 11:09 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 19:24 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 11:50 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-26 13:04 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 16:51 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:32 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:36 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 16:01 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 22:05 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 17:44 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 22:48 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:43 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 06:53 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 15:04 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 08:45 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-28 20:02 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-28 20:01 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 12:09 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:41 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 22:40 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:39 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 06:51 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-28 20:04 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 12:10 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:27 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-27 14:20 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-27 17:02 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 18:57 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:19 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 18:51 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 11:11 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:25 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 19:13 +0000
  Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jesper Kaas <jesperk@neitakk.online.no> - 2015-04-24 18:26 +0200
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 12:39 -0400
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2015-04-24 17:59 +0000
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac mick <no.spam@junk.mail> - 2015-04-24 20:57 +0100
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Uncle Joe <unclejoe@hush.ai> - 2015-04-25 01:46 +0000
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 14:35 +0100
  Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Uncle Joe <unclejoe@hush.ai> - 2015-04-25 01:39 +0000
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-25 08:01 +0200
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 08:05 -0400
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 16:07 +0200
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-04-25 15:38 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 21:03 +0200
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-04-25 21:36 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-26 10:43 +0200
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:14 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 21:03 +0200
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-25 18:52 +0200
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2015-04-25 13:20 +0100
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 13:40 +0100
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 09:07 -0400
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 13:58 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 14:10 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 16:34 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 15:23 +0100
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 14:28 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:26 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 17:46 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 14:10 -0400
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 10:58 -0400
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-25 18:54 +0200
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 21:57 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 22:12 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 18:53 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 23:50 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-26 10:43 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 07:37 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 13:52 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 10:34 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 07:41 -0400
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-26 03:36 +0200
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 23:14 +0100
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 13:52 +0000
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2015-04-25 17:37 +0100
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 17:30 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 19:28 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 21:55 +0000
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 16:08 +0200
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 13:33 +0100
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 12:45 +0000
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 09:07 -0400
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 13:54 +0000
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 10:58 -0400
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Dave <example@example.net> - 2015-04-25 15:07 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:19 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 16:40 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 19:23 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> - 2015-04-25 12:03 -0700
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 12:43 +0000
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Dave <example@example.net> - 2015-04-25 15:08 +0000
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 13:50 +0000
    Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-04-25 09:48 -0600
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 11:48 -0400
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:20 +0000
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 15:20 +0100
      Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 15:19 +0100
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 14:55 +0000
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 16:40 +0100
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:58 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 16:06 +0000
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 16:00 +0100
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 15:06 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 16:47 +0100
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 16:08 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 18:57 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:27 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:19 -0400
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 20:08 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 16:14 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 20:30 +0000
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 16:45 +0100
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:59 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 18:58 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-27 00:02 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 09:19 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-27 17:08 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 10:05 -0700
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 17:12 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 18:58 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:29 +0000
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 18:59 +0100
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 18:56 +0100
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-26 23:39 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 19:44 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-27 01:58 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 09:17 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-27 12:55 +0000
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and  Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:19 -0400

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