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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.apps |
| Subject | Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac |
| Date | 2015-04-26 18:25 +0000 |
| Organization | People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates |
| Message-ID | <cq4osnFhhmbU15@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 2015-04-26, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > On 26 Apr 2015 15:59:49 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>On 2015-04-26, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >>> On 26 Apr 2015 14:00:45 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 2015-04-26, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The only possible issue with iTunes is that AppleTV seems to like >>>>> your network having a copy somewhere >>>> >>>>No, AppleTV functions just fine without a copy of iTunes on the network. >>> >>> Mine doesn't. >> >>Of course it does. Apple doesn't force anyone to install iTunes on a >>computer. > > No, they do it themselves before you buy it. Not for Windows computers, nope. And the point is that AppleTV doesn't need iTunes to exist to function. If you don't want iTunes on your Mac, you are free to delete it. You're playing silly little games here, and it's boring. >>If you have no need for iTunes, don't use it. Your AppleTV works just >>fine without it. > > Only as a set-top box, a sort of restrictive "freeview" type device > not as a part of the network which is one of AppleTV's main selling > points. If you want network you need iTunes. Wrong. The only thing you need iTunes for is to stream content from a computer to an AppleTV. You can stream content from iOS devices without iTunes. You can watch streaming content from the internet through the AppleTV without iTunes. And so on. > No iTunes, no network. Bullshit. > Unless there's something I've missed? I would be very happy to be > told I'm wrong in this and to be given a simple setting that I can > toggle so the AppleTV box can network without iTunes. If you can't figure that out on your own, you're hopeless. It's not like the AppleTV UI is complicated. > Without iTunes and *with* AVI. I couldn't care less about playing crappy AVI videos. I bought mine to play standard H.264 and MPEG content, and it does that very well. I knew before I bought it what video formats were supported - it's stated in the specifications for the device, after all: <https://www.apple.com/appletv/specs/> If you bought your AppleTV without learning how it is designed and what it can do, then that's your problem. You don't get to turn around and complain about it without losing credibility here. >>Seriously? I think it would be pretty silly to expect the AppleTV to >>magically see all hard drives connected to your computers with no >>software in place to make the content available to the AppleTV. > > So why isn't the software *ON* *THE* *APPLETV* *BOX* *ITSELF*? AppleTV doesn't include software to browse network file share volumes because Apple chose another way to do it. > My Macbook has onboard software (and other stuff I've added to play > with) and *IT* can see the network but the AppleTV box can *NOT* not > without a second machine running, *ACTIVELY* running iTunes. Bull. It sees the network just fine, evidenced by the fact that you can stream content from iOS devices and do all sorts of other internet-related things without iTunes installed on a computer on the network. It just doesn't support file browsing on shared network volumes on connected computers. There is a difference between accessing a home network and browsing file shares, and you want me to ignore it, I suppose. Not happening. > My Win-boxes can see the network with only their onboard software. Your Windows computers can browse file shares on the network. So can your Macs. The AppleTV isn't a Windows computer or a Mac computer, and doesn't try to act like one. If you dislike the design, you shouldn't have purchased it. > Fuck, even the bloody TV can do this. Not my television, and certainly not all of them, nope. "Smart" televisions may do it, but then they do all sorts of things I don't need. > But not the AppleTV box. AppleTv is broken. Crippled. Incomplete. Yet you bought one. You're silly. >> You can >>use iTunes to stream content from a computer to your AppleTV. This >>doesn't translate into AppleTV "liking" you to have iTunes - a better >>way to word it is *you* like to have iTunes installed somewhere so you >>can stream content from a computer to your AppleTV. > > So why isn't it ON THE APPLETV BOX? Why does the AppleTV box need a > second machine actively running iTunes before it sees anything? Because it isn't a computer and doesn't support browsing file shares on a network. It uses different methods. It's about the design. > My PC doesn't. It can network on its own. My Macbook can network on > its own. Fuck, even my TV can do it. But not the AppleTv box. It > *NEEDS* and *MUST* *HAVE* an active iTunes program running on a > second machine before it can see the other networked devices. Wrong yet again. AppleTVs can see and stream content from iOS devices without iTunes installed. They can also stream content from the internet without iTunes. > I don't understand why you are so reluctant to see this as a flaw in > the AppleTV box. Because it's not a flaw. It's a design choice, and it works just fine for those who made an informed purchasing decision when they bought it. Apparently you think that the mere act of running iTunes is a burden for the rest of us. That's simply not the case. I have had iTunes running on my media server 24/7 for years now streaming content to my AppleTV and it never causes a single issue. Where's the flaw? >>> It only sees the *Macbook* if I activate iTunes. >> >>Yep, so? > > So why? It's a design flaw and a deliberate one. Nope, it's a design constraint. If you dislike it, get rid of your AppleTV. You shouldn't have purchased it to begin with, clearly. > I can read the NAS drive from my PC or my Macbook without iTunes. I > can read my NAS drive from my PC without my Macbook and from my > Macbook without my PC but the AppleTV box won't even acknowledge it > exists unless iTunes is running somewhere. That is *crippled*. Nope. It simply uses a different method to stream content. The fact that you apparently dislike it doesn't magically make it crippled. > And I don't understand why you are so reluctant to accept that ApplTv > is a broken product. Because it works just fine. You're full of it. > It is like the iWatch. Incomplete and not very functional on its own. More bullshit. Plenty of folks are finding the Apple Watch extremely useful, according to the many reviews I am reading at the moment. Do you even have an Apple Watch? Doubt it. More likely you are just talking out of your ass. Not surprised. > Yes, I do know it has Netflix, too, and that *DOES* work without > iTunes. So do many of its other features, including streaming content from iOS devices. > Buying and downloading other stuff does not. Whatever that is supposed to mean... >>> Okay, so maybe I'm not set up properly but what I have is what I >>> have. Maybe I'll fiddle when I get bored. Maybe someone wise and >>> kind will suggest a simple toggle I can click? >> >>You are doing it the right way. I'm not sure how you see this as a >>problem. > > Obviously because you won't see the AppleTV box as incomplete, > "broken" kit which it is. It works just fine here. Must be you. > It is supposed to be a networked, Internet ready device. It is both networked and internet ready. > I can't load programs or services onto it when I wish If you purchased it with the intent to load programs onto it, you made a poorly-informed purchasing decision. You don't get to turn around and act like that's someone else's fault. Get rid of it and buy something that does what you want, silly. > and I can't use it to see *my* network without iTunes running. No, it sees the network just fine. It just doesn't browse file shares on the network. > Nor, under any circumstances can I get it to run AVI movie files. > That is *broken*. Nope. Supported video formats are clearly stated in the specifications, and you should have known that before you purchased it. You need to take personal responsibility for your mistake. > It's a fun toy and I'm not whining about the restrictive nature of it > as I knew what I was buying before I bought it Apparently not if you expected it to play AVI. > but I don't understand your complete reluctance to see that as a file > distribution device my 1994 Win 3 box does a *far* better job. Hell, > my *stereo* is less restrictive. Also cheaper. Because I disagree with your assessment. I find the AppleTV very useful as a streaming device. And it's not a "file distribution device" as you like to claim. >>>>> The safest way of avoiding this "problem" is, obviously, not >>>>> having an AppleTV but I saw one for not much pounds so I bought >>>>> it. It's one more toy to amuse me. >>>> >>>>That's a very silly "solution". >>> >>> Yes, but it is *safe*. :) >> >>I don't see how it's any more "safe" than the better solution. : ) > > I did not say it was *more* only that it *is*. You're playing silly, boring word games. How is having an AppleTV not safe? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:36 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 16:01 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 22:05 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 17:44 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 22:48 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:43 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 06:53 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 15:04 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 08:45 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-28 20:02 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-28 20:01 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 12:09 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:41 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 22:40 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:39 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 06:51 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-28 20:04 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 12:10 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-27 13:27 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 08:51 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-27 14:20 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-27 17:02 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 18:57 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:19 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 18:51 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 11:11 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:25 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 19:13 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jesper Kaas <jesperk@neitakk.online.no> - 2015-04-24 18:26 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 12:39 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2015-04-24 17:59 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac mick <no.spam@junk.mail> - 2015-04-24 20:57 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Uncle Joe <unclejoe@hush.ai> - 2015-04-25 01:46 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 14:35 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Uncle Joe <unclejoe@hush.ai> - 2015-04-25 01:39 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-25 08:01 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 08:05 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 16:07 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-04-25 15:38 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 21:03 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-04-25 21:36 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-26 10:43 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:14 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 21:03 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-25 18:52 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2015-04-25 13:20 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 13:40 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 09:07 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 13:58 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 14:10 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 16:34 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 15:23 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 14:28 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:26 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 17:46 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 14:10 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 10:58 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-25 18:54 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 21:57 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 22:12 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 18:53 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 23:50 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-26 10:43 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 07:37 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 13:52 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 10:34 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 07:41 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-04-26 03:36 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 23:14 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 13:52 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2015-04-25 17:37 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 17:30 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 19:28 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 21:55 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac A <a@a.com> - 2015-04-25 16:08 +0200
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-25 13:33 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 12:45 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 09:07 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 13:54 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 10:58 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Dave <example@example.net> - 2015-04-25 15:07 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:19 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 16:40 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 19:23 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> - 2015-04-25 12:03 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 12:43 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Dave <example@example.net> - 2015-04-25 15:08 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-25 13:50 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-04-25 09:48 -0600
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 11:48 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:20 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 15:20 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 15:19 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 14:55 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 16:40 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:58 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 16:06 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 16:00 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 15:06 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 16:47 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 16:08 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 18:57 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:27 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:19 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 20:08 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 16:14 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 20:30 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 16:45 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:59 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 18:58 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-27 00:02 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 09:19 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-27 17:08 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 10:05 -0700
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 17:12 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-26 18:58 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-26 18:29 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 18:59 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 18:56 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-26 23:39 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 19:44 -0400
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-27 01:58 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 09:17 +0100
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-27 12:55 +0000
Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-26 15:19 -0400
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