Re: My Husband's Books

From	% <persent@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism, alt.checkmate, edm.general
Subject	Re: My Husband's Books
Date	2019-11-24 15:20 -0700
Organization	Altopia Corp. - Usenet Access - www.altopia.com
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On 2019-11-24 3:13 p.m., Nadegda wrote:
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 14:28:18 -0500, Ted wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 06:18:56 +0200, kensi
>> <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2019 9:26 PM, Ted wrote:
>>>> Dichotomy fallacy, Nadega. Ya see, the right has had 100 years
>> ,(and
>>>> almost limitless funds) to perfect their propaganda. As a result,
>> you
>>>> libtards are more solidly right-wing than the deplorables who
>> voted for
>>>> Trump, many of whom would have been leftists if that option
>> existed.
>>>> Both the Republican and the Democratic parties are right-wing,
>> with the
>>>> "left" having been redefined for them to keep in control.
>>
>>
>>> This is weirdly full of half-truths. But it ignores several key
>> facts:
>>
>>
>>> 1. Nadegda and I are both genuine leftists: we want more taxation,
>>>      workplace democracy (beyond mere unionization if possible), and
>> a
>>>      greatly expanded social safety net, as well as more government
>>>      investment in infrastructure, housing, and health care.
>>
>> Those concessions are granted in proportion to the threat from
>> Communism. Almost immediately after the Soviet Union collapsed, the
>> Democratic Party shifter sharply to the right and, in a sleight of hand
>> worthy of Houdini, substituted other social issues in exchange for their
>> previous support for labor.
>>
>> They now champion solely those issues that meet two criteria, (1) they
>> have to be economically neutral and (2) ideally, they should ensure that
>> the working class remains divided. And both parties have been gradually
>> removing freedoms since Reagan.
> 
> That does not contradict what kensi said.
> 
>>> 2. So are a growing number of Democrats, notably Bernie Sanders and
>>>      Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
>>
>> A lot of us had high hopes for Bernie, but he showed us his colors when,
>> after the DNC screwed him out of the primary, he supported Hillary. It
>> was the left's best chance for a third party and he threw it away.
>> Bernie and AOC serve the establishment as sheepdogs to herd leftists
>> back into the Democratic Party.
> 
> Based on the noises coming from some of the other candidates on the debate
> stages, I'm not sure they're not in fact herding centrist Dems back into
> the FDR compact.
> 
>>> 3. You are conflating centrists with the genuine left more
>> generally.
>>
>> A bit, perhaps, but even the "genuine" leftists are brainwashed against
>> their own self interests.
> 
> I'd say "speak for yourself", except that I doubt you're a genuine leftist.
> 
>>>> I was born dirt poor, actually. And I worked in a coal mine until
>> I was
>>>> 35 yo. The only time in my life I voted Republican was when the
>> UMWA
>>>> endorsed Santorum during the 80s.
>>> And yet here you are slinging schoolyard name-calling at anyone who
>>> vocally criticizes the Trump regime, which is so far right it is
>> scary.
>>
>> The working class who tipped the scales to elect Trump.
> 
> Wrong: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/05/its-
> time-to-bust-the-myth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/
> 
> https://solidarity-us.org/atc/186/p4859/
> 
> ----------
> The relatively high-income levels of much of Trump's vote point toward a
> majority petty bourgeois and middle-class base for Trump
> ----------
> 
>> It was either believe him or vote for a proven backstabber. If his
>> campaign promises had been fulfilled, the common folk would have indeed
>> benefitted
> 
>  From a giant boondoggle of a useless wall? From racist immigration bans?
>  From even more giant tax cuts for the rich?
> 
> The only remotely good thing I ever heard him promise was a $1.5 trillion
> infrastructure spend, which of course never happened and which of course
> he had no intention of ever doing.
> 
>> and that's one of the reasons the establishment hated him almost from the
>> beginning. The other reason is that he was outside of their approved
>> circle of presidential candidates.
> 
> The fact that he's a fascist might also have something to do with it.
> Surely it didn't escape your notice when he tacitly endorsed that Nazi
> march in Charlottesville? The one during which one of the Nazis murdered a
> woman?
> 
>> So they've been lying about him since 2016 and most of you idiots
>> swallow their lies.
> 
> The lies being told about Trump are the self-flattering narcissistic
> babblings of Trump himself, and similar burblefroth emitted by his
> sycophants.
> 
> Every nasty thing that has been said about Trump has proven to be true:
> that he's a racist, that he's a fascist, that he's a rapist ...
> 
so he's a typical guy , big deal

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Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-24 14:28 -0500
  Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-24 22:13 +0000
    Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-24 15:20 -0700
      Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-24 15:29 -0700
    Re: My Husband's Books "Sir Hømer Hall,  Esq." <greghall@høme.fake> - 2019-11-24 17:25 -0500
      Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-25 06:14 +0200
        Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 10:43 -0500
          Re: My Husband's Books "Sir Hømer Hall,  Esq." <greghall@høme.fake> - 2019-11-26 11:06 -0500
            Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 12:29 -0500
          Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-26 11:35 -0700
          Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-26 22:13 +0000
            Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 18:43 -0500
              Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-27 02:04 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 12:57 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-27 21:49 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 17:47 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-27 23:39 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 20:42 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 02:07 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-27 19:48 -0700
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 22:15 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 04:50 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-27 22:22 -0700
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 01:09 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 22:30 -0800
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 19:19 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 20:23 -0800
                Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 05:00 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 22:04 -0800
    Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-24 18:56 -0500
      Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-24 17:05 -0700
        Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-24 17:11 -0700
          Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-24 17:42 -0700
      Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-24 17:08 -0700
        Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-25 17:37 -0500
      Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-25 06:28 +0200
        Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-25 04:44 +0000
        Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-25 17:51 -0500
          Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-25 23:03 +0000
            Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-25 16:14 -0700
              Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 10:28 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-26 11:35 -0700
                Re: My Husband's Books vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2019-11-27 20:47 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 15:51 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2019-11-28 03:39 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 12:14 -0500
                Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-28 10:17 -0700
            Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-25 19:08 -0500
              Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-26 03:01 +0000
                Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-25 20:05 -0700
                Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 01:40 -0500
                NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-26 10:45 +0200
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Libtard <libtard@sandernistas.edu> - 2019-11-26 09:16 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-26 22:16 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Libtard <libtard@sandernistas.edu> - 2019-11-27 08:27 +0000
                NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 08:10 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-26 11:34 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-26 10:59 -0800
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-26 12:06 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 15:17 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-26 22:26 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-26 22:25 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-26 18:42 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-27 02:11 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-26 19:36 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Libtard <libtard@sandernistas.edu> - 2019-11-27 08:30 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-27 21:51 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 17:50 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 16:08 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-27 23:42 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 21:03 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 02:09 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 21:51 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 20:49 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 02:53 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-27 20:15 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 22:41 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-28 07:05 +0200
                NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 05:58 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 22:07 -0800
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-28 00:08 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 19:44 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 19:43 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-29 05:54 +0200
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-28 08:19 +0200
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 22:32 -0800
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 19:48 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-28 17:52 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-29 05:56 +0200
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 07:20 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Libtard <libtard@sandernistas.edu> - 2019-11-28 08:29 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 19:46 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 22:06 -0800
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 19:42 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Libtard <libtard@sandernistas.edu> - 2019-11-28 08:27 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-28 04:54 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 19:53 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Kernal Korn <vet@invalid.com> - 2019-11-27 16:22 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 22:43 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 20:50 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2019-11-28 05:06 +0000
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 21:45 -0800
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-28 19:18 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-28 17:22 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-11-29 05:58 +0200
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 13:01 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-27 11:25 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 14:21 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 12:47 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Scooter <Scoot@invalid.invalid> - 2019-11-27 16:20 -0700
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-11-27 18:29 -0500
                Re: NOMINATION Re: My Husband's Books % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 11:38 -0700

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