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Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use?

From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use?
Date 2014-12-30 03:32 +0000
Organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2014-12-30, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-12-29 19:25, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> <http://www.anandtech.com/show/4010/kingston-ssdnow-v-plus-100-review>
>
> Garbage collection is standard: it just means that when you wire to
> block 0 of a page, it will automatically rewrite and remap blocks 1 to 7
> to another page and zap the whole page containing block 0 so it can be
> rewritten.
>
> Read the last paragraph about write amplification.  This is what TRIM is
> all about.
>
> You and anantech are taken in by marketing.

Sure we are. Real world test mean nothing - NOTHING!! : )

> Apple may use those
> controlers but it still enables TRIM. That should say something about
> garbage collection not doing the full job.
>
> The disk cannot know whether a block is in use or part of the free list.
>
> With trim enabled, it marks a block as being free, so the controllers
> knows it nee not preserve or remap that blocks when it zaps a page to
> allow that page to be written to.
>
> part of free list so when another block (or that block) on a page needs
> to be rewritten, the controllers knows it does not need to remap the
> free blocks to another page while zapping this page.
>
> Without TRIM, the controller preserves blocks are are not in use and
> need not be preserved.

Meanwhile, my SSD is four years old, has been completely filled to
within 100 MB twice, hasn't *ever* had TRIM enabled, and is performing
just fine. : ) You may think you know better than everyone else, but
you're just plain wrong.

-- 
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JR

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When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-28 21:54 -0800
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 23:58 -0700
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-28 23:31 -0800
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 09:00 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-30 13:45 -0600
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 04:34 -0500
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-30 00:37 +1300
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 15:12 +0000
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 17:51 -0500
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 22:58 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:24 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 23:34 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:05 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-31 01:08 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-30 20:17 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-12-29 23:26 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:09 +0000
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:26 -0500
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 18:32 -0500
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 23:36 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:55 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 19:08 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:08 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-30 20:03 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 01:45 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-12-30 22:29 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 00:58 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 13:56 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 16:50 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 22:10 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 17:44 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-01 00:16 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-01 01:07 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-01 16:10 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-01 22:04 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-02 03:24 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 00:56 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 14:01 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 00:25 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 21:07 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 03:32 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-30 09:41 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 16:42 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 21:15 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 03:37 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-30 02:36 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 11:53 -0500
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-30 00:37 +1300
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2014-12-29 11:40 -0500
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 02:18 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:28 +0000
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 15:11 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 08:43 -0800
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 16:59 +0000
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-12-29 09:22 -0800
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-12-29 12:32 -0800
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 21:13 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 10:41 -0700
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-12-28 23:51 -0800
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 08:59 +0000
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 06:34 -0800
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 06:45 -0800
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-12-29 10:31 -0500
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 09:24 -0700
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 08:48 -0800
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 10:42 -0700
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 11:57 -0800
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 20:09 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-12-29 12:55 -0800
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 17:51 -0700
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 17:53 -0500
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-12-29 12:59 -0500
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:14 +0000
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 17:47 -0500
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 22:56 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:16 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-12-29 18:03 -0800
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-30 18:41 +1300
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 14:47 +0000
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:53 -0500
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:11 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:54 -0800
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-31 08:23 -0800
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-31 17:43 +0000
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-12-29 09:16 -0500
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-29 10:05 -0500
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 15:09 +0000
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Piso Mojado <conserje@trapeador.net> - 2014-12-29 17:42 -0500
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:57 -0800
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Piso Mojado <conserje@trapeador.net> - 2014-12-30 08:41 -0500
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 11:27 -0800
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-01-01 15:52 -0600
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-01 23:37 +0000
  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-02 17:50 -0800
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-02 20:55 -0500

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