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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) |
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| Organization | Forte - www.forteinc.com |
| Date | 2020-08-14 07:37 -0400 |
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:57:59 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes: > >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 23:54:37 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:35:54 -0700, Peter Flass >>>><peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700, Peter Flass >>>>>><peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>On 2020-08-12, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I do wonder whether Microsoft is intending to commit suicide by driving >>>>>>>>>users into the arms of other OSs such as Linux or Android. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Pissing off your customers is not the way to longevity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Unless you're a monopoly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>But they're not, any more. Linux can handle 80-90% of all user >>>>>>>requirements, and 100% for typical users. I use either this iPad or my >>>>>>>Linux box for everything, and I can't recall the last time I felt the need >>>>>>>to use windows. >>>>>> >>>>>>Can it handle 100 percent of corporate requirements though? >>>>> >>>>>That's why I said 80-90%. Some places have custom apps that depend on some >>>>>windows features - like the APL interface we've discussed. Sure they could >>>>>be rewritten, but it would probably be pricy. OTOH, you could always keep a >>>>>legacy windows box or two around for those things and use Linux for the >>>>>rest. Heck, you could probably run windows in a VM on Linux. Isn't MSFT >>>>>developing something that lets you run windows or windows apps on Linux? >>>>> >>>>>I would think moving to Linux would save lots of money, although a company >>>>>would still want to pay for support. >>>> >>>> Just for openers how long will it take and what will it cost to >>>> retrain thousands of users on Linux and Office 365? >>> >>>No time at all. >>>Most users can't tell the difference. >>>I just read an article about how to make Linux act pretty much like W10. >>>Okay, here it is: >>> >>>https://kevq.uk/how-to-make-ubuntu-work-like-windows-10/ >>> >>>I've had Windows users set down at my Linux desktop and just start >>>typing away without noticing anything odd. Even though I'm running >>>Fvwm with my own highly configured environment. >>> >>>As for Office 365: >>> >>> Can you use Office 365 on Linux? >>> Microsoft has ported its first ever Office 365 app to Linux and it chose >>> Teams to be the one. While still in public preview, Linux users >>> interested in giving it a go should go here. According to a blog post by >>> Microsoft's Marissa Salazar, the Linux port will support all of the core >>> capabilities of the app. >> >> You so funny! > >Great! Being funny is a good thing. > >> In another thread you decry diversity in human language and wish for an end to >> the Tower of Babel, citing, among other arguments, the need for translators. >> And in this thread you make the opposite argument, supporting diversity and a >> "software Tower of Babel," apparently relying on the translation of different >> document formats. It seems to me the same reasoning should apply in either >> case. > >I'm a bit confused here, when did translating document formats come >into play? Is that when someone started talking about converting word >documents to PDF? I haven't made any comments in that thread. >I know Word used to have issues converting to PDF but that's been fixed. > >I think the issue you're raising here is a diversity of OS's. >In this case Linux vs. Windows and Office 365 vs. Office 365. > >My opinion was that Windows and Linux can be pretty much the same. >The article I cited shows how to make workflow on Linux and Windows >be the same. I think that's less diversity. > >My Office 365 point was that MSFT has Office 365 stuff running on Linux. >I don't know Office 365 but isn't that a browser based office package? >Why doesn't all of it run on Linux? Office 365 is an update to Office 2016. While there are browser based tools that are part of the ecosystem they are not fully functional--they can read, display, and perform limited edits. The main tool set runs natively on PC or Mac. When used to access documents on the Microsoft cloud additional features are supported--multiuser access for example--several people can have the same Word document open and make edits simultaneously, and documents can be autosaved after every change with a version history. > >A quick search shows: > > Operating system: Windows, macOS, Android, iOS > >Well, if Android is supported, isn't that already a version of Linux? >Not sure why Linux isn't listed. Maybe there are some client side >binaries? But based on what I quoted, MSFT is already getting Teams to >run on Linux. Android is Linux like OS/X is BSD. And I was not aware that there was a Linux port of Teams. Interesting. >> Apparently no one here has had extensive experience in corporate IT or doing a >> lot of end-user support. > >Never had the nightmare experience. I mostly designed and coded. >I did spend a year or so supporting about 100 developers but that wasn't >linux or windows. That was unix guys moved to MVS. OK, now imagine that experience only it's 100,000. >> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary to >> remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their access to >> corporate network resources. While they may be subject to the same weaknesses >> as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those tools. > >That statement just seems wrong. For many years I worked with large >amounts of developers using Sun Workstations. Our support group could >push out all kinds of stuff by hitting a button. In a corporate >environment Linux support would probably be Redhat. I think they're >loaded with support automation. > >> Also critical are programs from independent software vendors (ISV). An e-mail >> client, a browser, and an office suite are not enough for many employees. Just >> about every organization of sufficent size uses a handful of third-party >> applications; a large company may have dozens. It simply isn't economically >> feasible for most ISVs, which are often small firms serving a niche market, to >> port and support versions for Linux and/or the Macintosh. They simply don't >> have the customers for those platforms to generate the necessary revenue. > >It's pretty neat that so many of the tool kits being used today are >platform agnostic, like Java and QT. But your point is correct. >Not really related to my point about diversity, but sure there are >vendor products that are Windows only. > >> For one example, consider a medium-sized hospital where I worked on an IT >> contract a few years back. The phone operators had a custom program to answer >> the phone and another to look up phone numbers, not only for departments and >> employees, but also for an ever-shifting roster of patients. The medical >> records department had one application to track patient diagnosis and treatment, >> and another to aid in the coding of same for insurance billing purposes. The >> accounting department had general ledger software and other programs for >> dealing with the insurance companies. The cafeteria used an application to plan >> patient menus and keep track of their food inventory. One of the most >> complicated programs was for scheduling nurses. Nurses are not generally >> interchangeable. Certifications, training, years of experience, and preferred >> shifts must all be taken into account. Oncology, cardiology, radiology... just >> about every department had at least one application specific to their needs. A >> similar situation exists in large corporations. >> >> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there would be >> significant support issues. Which Linux distribution? What version? Which >> shell, which windows manager? Some of these make a difference in the >> programming, and some in being able to offer end-user support, especially >> remotely. Imagine walking a novice user through editing an .rc file with vi >> over the phone. Imagine having to be able to do that for any combination of >> Linux distribution and shell. > >If this novice has vi on his machine doesn't he already know how to use >it? No. How does the presence of software on a machine imply that the user knows how to use the software? If I put Hercules with Z/OS on your machine does that mean that you know how to run Z/OS? >Here's an interesting alternative: > > People also ask > > Does Linux have notepad? > The good news is that Notepad++ is now (unofficially) available as a > Snap package for Linux users. (a) Notepad++ is not Notepad. (b) It has not been ported, it runs under Wine. Notpad++ is open source--you're welcome to port it but I think you'll find that it's an uphill battle. No corporation is going to try to support software running in an environment that the developer does not even pretend to support. >> There's also the training issue. Simply put, companies don't want to train >> employees. If they are using Linux and OpenOffice, where will they find >> qualified employees knowledgeable in that software? Saying that those programs >> are "pretty much like" Windows and Office isn't good enough. Currently the >> baseline in computer ability is competency with Windows and Office. Any >> organization using Microsoft products is assured of a large pool of potential >> employees with experience using the same. > >Back to training time? I think I'm headed down that path in a different direction. > >> To be clear, I am not a fan of Microsoft. I think its dangerous to be dependent >> on a software monoculture, and my opinion is confirmed with every story about >> virus infections, data exfiltrations, and ransomware attacks. Like most people >> in alt.folklore.computers, I am technically savvy enough not to be beholden to >> Microsoft products should I chose. I also recognize that that is a very small >> minority of people, and that there are compelling economic reasons why most >> companies are Microsoft shops. > >Agree. > >To reiterate, diversity bad. Being funny good.
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 11:16 -0500
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 17:55 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 14:47 -0500
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-12 21:24 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:38 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 18:39 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 18:58 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 17:35 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 22:23 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 23:08 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 18:54 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 23:54 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 00:07 -0400
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-13 20:38 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 13:31 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 15:28 -0500
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:33 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 19:08 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:32 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:41 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 07:14 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 06:43 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:10 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 13:43 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:50 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 14:06 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:36 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 19:41 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 18:04 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 13:24 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 08:31 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:37 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:34 -0400
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 19:47 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 05:57 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 11:20 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:37 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-14 11:44 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 12:24 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:46 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 08:20 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:38 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 19:50 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 14:01 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 21:31 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:37 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 21:38 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-15 00:00 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 18:18 -0400
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 18:07 -0400
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 18:36 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 18:56 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 21:08 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-16 15:56 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 19:16 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 19:23 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 20:33 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 21:04 -0400
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-22 09:39 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-21 18:30 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-11-17 18:51 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-20 20:47 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 17:23 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-20 23:52 -0500
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-20 08:13 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 03:56 -0500
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-18 10:19 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 05:00 -0500
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Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-18 11:45 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 07:58 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-18 12:02 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 21:49 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-16 13:16 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 11:46 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:41 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:39 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 13:29 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 14:36 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:41 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 20:01 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:41 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-15 00:02 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 18:05 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:04 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 11:26 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 16:16 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 16:11 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 12:00 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-13 13:48 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 19:01 -0400
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 03:34 +0200
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 13:01 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 13:47 +0100
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2020-08-13 14:28 +0000
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 12:15 -0500
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