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Re: getting started with encryption

From "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: getting started with encryption
Date 2014-10-12 10:53 +0200
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On 11/10/14 21:16, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/11/2014 12:38 PM, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 11/10/14 16:42, bill wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2014 10:36 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> If you are in the United States and dealing with patient medical data of
>>>> any kind, you need to understand and follow HIPAA.  Having someone HIPAA
>>>> certified is the best.  Failure and result in six or seven figure fines.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, all patient data MUST be secured.  This doesn't mean just
>>>> encrypting it in the database; it means the data must also be secured
>>>> from any break-in, including physical theft of the system itself.  You
>>>> can't, for instance, have the decryption password readable, even if it
>>>> is in a script.  You also have to restrict who physically has access to
>>>> the information server.
>>>>
>>>> The Feds are cracking down on HIPAA compliance; it's good you are
>>>> encrypting the data.  Just make sure you do it right.
>>>>
>>>> J.O.'s suggestion of doing it at the database level is a good on.
>>> We have addressed physical security and have good access controls, now
>>> we are moving on to worst case stuff - if the server is stolen.
>>
>> Session data stored in persistent storage will give the unauthorized 3rd
>> party all they may need to decrypt the database. A brute force attack
>> will be a lot simpler when just need to figure out a string.
>>
>>
>>> Decryption password will have to be entered at each user login and
>>> disappears when the session ends or when the user is auto loged out
>>> after 3 hours of inactivity.
>>
>> 3 hours inactivity is far too long.
>>
>> Having the encryption/decryption key in memory for that long time will
>> just make it easy to get hold of it for unauthorized 3rp party access.
>>
>
> Very definitely.  I can see all kinds of holes in their system.  He is
> leaving them wide open to a HIPAA fine.

I just pity his customer, who will suffer quite a lot of this and it 
seems they have not got the best service, a lot of &nbsp; to place 
elements, meta refresh to redirect to the new wordpress page (looks 
cheap when you get to see the old page before the wordpress page loads, 
which seems to have some misconfiguration).


>> If you haven't, I suggest you take a look at Cornucopia,
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Cornucopia
>>
>> quite useful game to figure out what vulnerabilities you may have. This
>> covers more than just the OWASP top 10.
>>
> I hadn't seen this one before, J.O.  Looks like an interesting game.

It's somewhat new for me, got a on cards printed deck from the London 
chapter leader Justin Clarke, really nice guy.
We test played it on a fictive project, and sure you start to think how 
things can go wrong. The recommended group size is 4 people from 
different backgrounds, like Developer, CSO, Business.


-- 

  //Aho

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getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-10 14:46 -0400
  Re: getting started with encryption Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-10 16:36 -0400
  Re: getting started with encryption John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2014-10-10 18:53 -0400
  Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-11 09:07 +0200
    Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-11 07:59 -0400
  Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-11 10:36 -0400
    Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-11 10:42 -0400
      Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-11 11:45 -0400
      Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-11 18:38 +0200
        Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-11 15:16 -0400
          Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-12 10:53 +0200
            Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-12 08:17 -0400
              Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-12 08:47 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-12 11:04 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-12 11:13 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption "J. Clarke" <jclarkeusenet@cox.net> - 2014-10-12 15:12 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-12 21:45 -0400
              Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-12 15:53 +0200
                Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-12 10:07 -0400
                How - off topic bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-12 11:05 -0400
                Re: How - off topic "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-12 17:27 +0200
                Re: How - off topic Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-12 17:23 +0000
                Re: How - off topic Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-10-12 18:49 +0100
                Re: How - off topic bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-13 09:24 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-12 11:01 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-12 11:19 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-13 08:38 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-13 09:18 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption - now off topic with gratuitous insults bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-13 10:36 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption - now off topic with gratuitous insults Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-13 12:14 -0400
        Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-12 08:15 -0400
          Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-12 15:52 +0200
            Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-12 11:17 -0400
              Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-12 17:45 +0200
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-13 08:58 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-13 09:23 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-13 10:44 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-13 12:20 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-15 21:52 +0200
                Re: getting started with encryption gordonb.1o7q6@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2014-10-16 12:13 -0500
                Re: getting started with encryption Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-16 15:25 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-18 08:13 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-18 07:52 -0400
                Re: getting started with encryption "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-10-18 14:46 +0200
                Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-19 07:47 -0400
  Re: getting started with encryption Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-12 17:30 +0000
    Re: getting started with encryption bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-10-13 08:59 -0400

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