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| Date | 2017-03-30 13:59 -0700 |
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| Subject | Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work |
| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 4:47:51 AM UTC-7, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:58:41 UTC+1, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> >> We of course can't know exactly what they would have, but judging
> >> from the Forth 200x effort, we try to bend over backwards to make
> >> sure even systems where one particular vendor did things all others
> >> think are stupid (like using curly brackets for multi-line comments
> >> when everybody else was using them for locals with a sane order),
> >> they certainly would have made it possible for VFX to be standard.
> >
> > And there is the problem.
> >
> > If the intention is to accommodate everybody's systems and have them all
> > be compliant
>
> It isn't. Clearly we have made great efforts to accommodate
> everyone's system, but there are limits.
Getting accommodated by the ANS-Forth committee primarily involves brown-nosing.
Ray Duncan would not have been able to get UR/Forth accommodated. Even if he had made UR/Forth ANS-Forth compliant to the most careful reading of the document, Elizabeth Rather would have continued to dismiss it as a non-standard wannabee.
Everybody knew that UR/Forth was an order of magnitude higher quality than PolyForth --- there was no way that she was going to allow UR/Forth to be standard compliant --- to a large extent, the purpose of ANS-Forth was to kill UR/Forth, before the quality issue killed PolyForth.
> There are also
> disagreements: wasting { } on locals is one such.
Forth Inc. typically passes data between functions in global variables in order to avoid having too many data on the data-stack and having too much stack-juggling. Elizabeth Rather doesn't understand the concept of re-entrancy.
She says:
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Truly, I don't see the point of all this paranoia about reentrancy,
particularly in systems without a multitasker. VARIABLE was *designed*
for things that would be used in multiple definitions. I remember the horror
of (*gasp*) global variables back in the 1960's in Fortran. But, frankly, in
30+ years of programming in Forth I never found them a problem. I think this
is all about mythical dragons.
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She also says:
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I hate locals :-)
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Andrew Haley is a total brown-noser --- he describes local variables as a "waste" for the purpose of supporting Elizabeth Rather in her hatred of local variables --- this brown-nosing eventually resulted in Elizabeth Rather appointing him to the Forth-200x committee.
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Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 17:37 -0400
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 15:08 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 15:17 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-18 22:22 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 19:47 -0400
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 17:06 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 20:58 -0400
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-19 18:04 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-19 10:53 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-19 12:57 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-19 13:39 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 14:48 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-19 22:05 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-19 17:57 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 12:18 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-03-22 22:57 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 17:18 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-23 04:03 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-03-23 15:01 +0100
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 07:12 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-29 20:31 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-23 10:22 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-03-30 02:31 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-30 03:36 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-30 15:45 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-30 12:03 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-30 14:04 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-31 09:23 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-31 07:43 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-01 12:55 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-01 11:52 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-23 12:23 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-23 15:57 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-23 17:38 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-23 17:58 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-23 19:16 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-24 09:52 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-23 18:26 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-03-30 02:55 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-29 20:49 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 03:04 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-30 06:47 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-03-30 12:56 +0100
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-30 09:41 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-30 13:59 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-01 01:33 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-30 15:50 -1000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-30 19:34 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-01 23:53 +0200
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-01 18:54 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 15:01 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-02 11:30 -0700
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-02 13:36 -0500
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 22:57 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-31 09:45 +0000
Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-31 20:09 -0700
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