Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea

Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Date	2014-06-14 13:27 -0700
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Subject	Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea
From	BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net>

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On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, Anton Ertl wrote:
> But I think it's compatible with modularity and actually supports it. 
> The programmer of the allocating word does not have to think about the
> freeing, nor necessarily the programmer of its immediate caller.
> Instead, these decisions are made at a higher level based on
> application needs rather than distributing these decisions throughout
> the whole code base.  Sounds like modularity to me.

This points to a particular type of modularity which has a lot of appeal to me. Simple tasks on simple systems don't have to account for complications which are not problems for them because the complications involve things they don't even try to do. The same simple tasks can be called by more complex systems in a way that effectively manages the additional complications which arise from operating in a system where a lot of other things may be going on at the same time.

(1) Simplest level: I'm just working with buffers you've handed to me.

(2) Here, (1), let me grab some buffers for you to work with. Hang around, I'll call you when I need you.

(3) Here, (1) let me organize the use of some buffers for you. If I know for sure I'm not going to need any of them any more, I'll give the buffers back to the system.

(4) Here, (3), let me set up a section of memory for you to do that in. When I don't need you anymore, I'll toss everything I haven't stored for my own use.

If I have an, eg, 4K sub-ANS Forth system, I likely can just use ALLOT and PAD, because to do some other task which would conflict, I load that up as a separate 4K Forth system (either on top or over in another process thread) and do it in that other image. There often isn't space in the image for the Forth words to do both tasks anyway.

If I have a full featured desktop Forth, stepping from (2) to (3) to (4) can be part of a RAD process. PAD in that context is great for debugging processes to make sure you are doing what you want to be doing as you learn its memory management requirements, but it may be that you have no words in any finished modules that ever use PAD.

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Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 23:35 -0700
  Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 03:20 -0700
    Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 03:39 -0700
  Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-08 13:23 +0000
    Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 07:44 -0700
      Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-08 15:05 +0000
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 09:01 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 09:32 -0700
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 10:08 -0700
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 21:05 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 06:47 -0700
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 08:27 +0400
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 22:42 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 06:53 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 09:24 +0400
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-09 14:55 +0000
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-08 21:10 -0400
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-08 16:55 -1000
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-06-08 20:34 -0700
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-08 18:55 -1000
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 22:50 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-09 12:54 -1000
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 17:33 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-10 04:37 -0500
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-19 13:38 -0700
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-09 12:40 +0000
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-09 05:21 -0500
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-10 16:50 +0000
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-10 17:36 -0400
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-14 09:52 -0700
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-11 03:44 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-11 16:33 +0000
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 14:01 -0700
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-13 16:42 +0000
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-13 13:45 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-14 09:56 +0000
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-14 06:29 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-06-16 00:19 +0100
    Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-08 21:47 +0200
      Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-09 15:24 +0000
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 09:10 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-10 16:09 +0000
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-14 14:04 -0700
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 10:02 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 10:08 -0700
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-10 15:31 +0000
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-14 13:27 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-10 15:51 +0000
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-14 09:09 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-14 09:49 -0700
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-14 10:09 -0700
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-14 19:36 +0000
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-14 23:06 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-15 12:33 +0000
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-15 12:11 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-15 19:38 +0000
  Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-06-08 17:42 -0700
    Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-09 15:43 +0000
    Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-14 13:08 -0700
      Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-14 11:54 -1000
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-15 12:36 -0700
      Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-15 11:59 +0000
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-15 12:55 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-15 13:02 -0700
  Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 10:26 -0700
  Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 22:57 -0700
    Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 07:40 +0100
      Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 00:14 -0700
        Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-20 20:17 -0700
          Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 08:51 -0700
            Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-21 10:07 -0700
              Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 11:10 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-21 12:17 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 12:39 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-21 13:54 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 14:53 -0700
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-22 13:58 +0000
                Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-22 15:26 -0700
  Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:25 -0700
  Re: Region-based dynamic memory management idea Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 14:55 -0700

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