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Re: memcpy not memcpying?

Subject Re: memcpy not memcpying?
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
References (12 earlier) <ln36f57ul5.fsf@kst-u.example.com> <EAovF.246198$IsL.142854@fx08.am4> <h26pamFa2cqU5@mid.individual.net> <KsyvF.21664$u64.16998@fx35.am4> <804c44f4-15ed-461f-bba8-84846d78e784@googlegroups.com>
From Bart <bc@freeuk.com>
Message-ID <c4AvF.100887$m0L.46810@fx15.am4> (permalink)
Organization virginmedia.com
Date 2019-11-03 12:52 +0000

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On 03/11/2019 12:03, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Sunday, 3 November 2019 13:02:11 UTC+2, Bart  wrote:
>> On 03/11/2019 01:37, Ian Collins wrote:
>>> On 03/11/2019 12:47, Bart wrote:
>>>> On 02/11/2019 22:59, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> And yet you continue to whine about it.  Have fun with that.
>>>>
>>>> David Brown was trying to put the blame for the non-support of zu on
>>>> tcc, for which he has demonstrated a very poor opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pointing out that my 500x bigger gcc installation has exactly same
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Which is an old Windows library...
>>
>> Even for the recommended, freshly installed mingw-w64. Why is that?
> 
> There are three factors and all of those likely apply:
> 
> 1) It is somewhat your own fault. Perhaps you have somehow configured
> your system and its environment variables so that even freshly
> installed mingw64 does run differently than on majority of other
> systems.

In other words, it's complicated.

When I use my compiler, it's one file (bcc.exe which incorporates all 
the headers) plus the library (msvcrt.dll). Literally nothing else.

There is no ambiguity about which library is being used. There are no 
environment variables, and there are no paths to sort out. This 
minimises the ways in which things can go wrong. (Not by accident; this 
was by design.)

The next simplest C compiler I have is tcc. But while the executable is 
small, there are multiple header files (90) plus 3 .a files, plus 4 .def 
files (specific to tcc), the name of one of which suggests that it is 
also dependent on msvcrt.dll. Yet, it also accepts the -lucrtbase 
option, but which seems to do nothing.

It is not quite as clear-cut.

> 3) It is somewhat intentional. C programs made by little babies or
> fools may harm the system more than help with anything and so the
> tiny difficulties are left there for preventing babies and fools
> from using C.

Or it could just be a bug. After all, if it is within the power of the 
compiler to link either an old or new C library, why would it choose an 
old one? Even if you compile with -std=c11.

Here are the default libraries that gcc passes through as options to its 
linker:

  -lmingw32
  -lgcc
  -lgcc_eh
  -lmoldname
  -lmingwex
  -lmsvcrt
  -lpthread
  -ladvapi32
  -lshell32
  -luser32
  -lkernel32
  -liconv
  -lmingw32
  -lgcc
  -lgcc_eh
  -lmoldname
  -lmingwex
  -lmsvcrt

Notice that mingw32, gcc, gcc_eh, moldname, mingwex and msvcrt are 
specified twice. That's pretty good going. If you specify -lucrtbase, 
the magic needed to support zu, then it just prepends it to that list; 
msvcrt is still included - twice.

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  Re: memcpy not memcpying? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-01 08:49 -0400
    Re: memcpy not memcpying? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-11-01 09:24 -0400
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        Re: memcpy not memcpying? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-11-01 10:19 -0700
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                Re: memcpy not memcpying? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-03 11:01 +0000
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                Re: memcpy not memcpying? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-03 12:52 +0000
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