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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.misc |
| Subject | Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood |
| Date | 2014-06-16 23:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <c0886rFnrjaU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 16/06/2014 10:03 PM, Whiskers wrote: > On 2014-06-16, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote: >> On 16/06/2014 3:23 AM, Whiskers wrote: >>> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27829874> >>> >>> For those who aren't impressed by the iron flow battery mentioned >>> recently. >>> >> >> The Wikipedia article for the vanadium redox battery indicates that you >> need two atoms of vanadium for each electron. Thus 100g of Vanadium >> gives approximately 6 * 10^23 electrons, or about 10^5 Coulombs. >> >> The open cell potential is about 1 volt, so our 100g of Vanadium gives >> at most 10^5 Joules. One tonne of Vanadium thus give us 10^9 Joules, or >> about 280 kWh. >> >> The world's known vanadium reserves are about 13 million tonnes. >> >> http://vanitec.org/vanadium/vanadium-sources-producers/ > > "Vanadium is the 22nd most abundant element in the earth’s crust, > occurring more than 65 minerals" > > "Vanadium resources globally are estimated at 63 million metric tons" > > "With current vanadium consumption at about 61,000 metric tons V per > year, known resources represent approximately 1,000 years supply." > > "World vanadium reserves (that part of the identified vanadium resource > that meets specified minimum physical and chemical criteria related to > current mining and production practices) are estimated at 13 million > metric tons V, or about 200 years supply at current consumption rates." > > "Titaniferous magnetite is the most important source for vanadium > presently accounting about 85% of the current world V2O5 production. > This iron ore typically contains 1.0% to 1.5% V2O5." > > In other words, there's so much of the stuff that no-one is bothered to > look for it; instead, they estimate the "known reserves" by projecting > current usage from the sources already being worked. If that works out > to be "200 years supply at current consumption" there's no point looking > for more of it. > > It's a by-product of iron ore smelting - if you want some, you extract > it from the slag. If consumption of vanadium increases, more slag-heaps > will be assayed, abandoned mines will reopen, and new mines will be dug. > >> So if it were all used in vanadium redox batteries, we'd have a capacity >> of 13 * 10^6 * 280 kWh, or about 3640 GWh. >> >> Wikipedia indicates that the world electricity consumption is >> 19,320,360,620 MWh per year, or about 53 GWh per day. >> >> The point of using the batteries is to balance supply and demand, yet it >> is clear from the above numbers that the scope for using vanadium redox >> batteries in this role is going to be very limited if for no other >> reason than there isn't enough vanadium. >> >> Sylvia > > There is no shortage of vanadium. At present, we can't use it fast > enough to keep up with what we dig up anyway to get other stuff. > That doesn't seem entirely consistent with its price variation. Though I diverge here from my main point, it would not be economic to mine iron ore just to extract the vanadium. Sylvia.
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Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-06-15 18:23 +0100
Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-06-16 11:51 +1000
Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-06-16 13:29 +1000
Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-06-16 13:03 +0100
Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-06-16 23:02 +1000
Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-06-16 20:29 +0100
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