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Re: Drobo end days.

From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Drobo end days.
Date 2014-02-20 02:12 +0000
Organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2014-02-20, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.19, 18:09 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-02-19, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
>>> It was the surety of backup redundancy and the risk of single point
>>> failure...
>>>
>>> I am selling my first gen (2nd edition) Drobo.  I can't find a partner
>>> nearby with a similar (or compatible, at least) Drobo in case the
>>> electronics goes T-U on this one.
>>
>> If mine goes out, I'll just purchase a replacement. I'll be back up and
>> running in a matter of days, which is perfectly sufficient for me. And
>> if and when it becomes insufficient, I'll just purchase a second Drobo
>> to run along side this one.
>>
>>> I've ordered two Thermaltake dual drive SATA docks (USB 3.0) to replace
>>> the current Drobo and my USB 2.0 based dual drive dock.
>>
>> That's a definite step down, IMO; but whatever floats your boat.
>
> I don't see the "down" at all.  I can manually swap drives around and 
> have the redundancy (while maintaining TM for short term bu).

You don't see any difference between the data safety features of the
Drobo and a standard drive dock or enclosure? That makes me wonder why
you ever purchased a Drobo to begin with. I can only surmise the ability
to add and swap drives of varying size, replace bad drives, and so on
with zero interruption and zero loss of access to your data must not be
very valuable to you. You won't get the same level of redundancy or ease
of use with drive docks or plain enclosures. It's perfectly fine if you
don't appreciate the benefits of the Drobo; but there are rather
significant benefit none the less. Those benefits are extremely valuable
to me, which is primarily why I purchased and love mine.

>> You could have done better purchasing two Drobos. So I guess it's really
>> about money for you.
>
> Indeed part of it.  

Seems like a major part of it.

> Given the cost of hard disks, it's cheaper in any sense to simply
> rotate hard disks in and out using a hard disk dock and for that
> matter making two copies at a time.  Further with USB 3.0 the copy
> times are going to be relatively short.
>
> (The Drobo for all its glory is not esp. fast - even with FW-800.
> Only a hair faster than the USB 2.0 docks/drives that I have for
> direct copying.)

If you bought a Drobo for speed, you bought the wrong solution. The
majority of the Drobo's features are geared towards data safety - not
speed. Older models such as yours have always been known to be rather
slow compared to plain hard drives. Newer models that include SSD
support are blazing fast though. Anyhow, I find my DroboS plenty fast
enough for all of my needs, and relatively worry-free in comparison to
plain hard drives.

> There's really no "gain" in going with the Drobo or buying a new one and 
> retaining the single point of failure.  Buying 2 is out of the question. 
>   I have much better places for that cash.

All well and good. You're choosing to sacrifice the primary benefits of
the Drobo to save a buck. That doesn't magically make those benefits
vanish into thin air though. 

>>> I'll sell the Drobo (with 1 and 2 TB drives) and keep the two 3 TB
>>> drives for the new USB 3.0 docks.
>>
>> I'm sure whoever buys it will enjoy the data redundancy it offers.
>
> Until it fails.

Your logic is confusing. If and when your Thermaltake fails, you'll need
to buy another on of those as well. Same issue there. So you haven't
improved that problem one bit - except for cost, which seems to be your
primary motive. All you've done is saved yourself some money, and in the
process, dropped all the benefits of the Drobo. That's cool, if that's
what you want; but it doesn't mean the Thermaltake is equivalent or that
the benefits of the Drobo are non-existent.

> I've had zero replies on Craigslist (indeed I should go 
> refresh the advert.  It's probably expired).

I bet you'd have much better luck on eBay. I got $425 for my Drobo 2nd
gen on eBay back in 2010 which went towards a new DroboS. Great upgrade!
: )

> But the local computer repair shop will happily put it up for sale.  I
> sold my other iMac there.

Cool. Good luck.

-- 
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JR

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Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-19 17:17 -0500
  Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 23:09 +0000
    Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-19 20:03 -0500
      Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 02:12 +0000
        Re: Drobo end days. Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-02-19 19:54 -0800
          Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 04:49 +0000
        Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 17:16 -0500
          Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:41 +0000
            Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 20:13 -0500
          Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:45 +0000
            Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 20:17 -0500
          Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:48 +0000
            Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 20:15 -0500
            Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-21 01:39 +0000
          Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:52 +0000
      Re: Drobo end days. Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-19 20:53 -0800
        Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 16:21 +0000
        Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 17:24 -0500
          Re: Drobo end days. Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-25 10:43 -0800
        Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G - 2014-02-27 13:44 -0600
          Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 21:15 +0000
            Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:42 -0500
              Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 23:32 +0000
                Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:49 -0500
                Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 23:54 +0000
                Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:13 -0600
              Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:01 -0600
              Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:21 -0600
                Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-28 16:37 -0500
          Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-27 21:55 +0000
            Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:03 -0600
    Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:30 +0000
      Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:16 -0600
        Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 23:25 +0000
      Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-28 16:44 -0500

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