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| From | dale <dale@dalekelly.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.photo.digital, sci.engr.color, sci.image.processing |
| Subject | Re: ICC profile for a light box |
| Date | 2018-07-31 09:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <bfmffe.s4a.17.1@news.alt.net> (permalink) |
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On 7/31/2018 9:01 AM, Savageduck wrote: > On Jul 31, 2018, dale wrote > (in article <bfm11i.dud.17.2@news.alt.net>): > >> On 7/30/2018 9:57 PM, nospam wrote: >>> In article<bfl4oa.9ei.19.3@news.alt.net>, dale<dale@dalekelly.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> might be a nice feature for Lightroom ... compatible with some >>>> measurement instruments ... and data like viewing angle, white point, etc. >>> >>> lightroom has been fully colour managed since day one. >> >> there is a difference between managing color and managing appearance, >> look up CIECAM02 on wikipedia >> >> viewing environment like a light room is one variable in appearance > > What exactly do you believe is a *light room*? a viewing environment a lab makes an agreement with its customer's as to how their final product will look in their viewing environment yes, this can can be a monitor setup, that involves viewing angle and other "appearance" facts other than just "color" could be a lightbox too ... a monitor environment is a soft proof a prepress proof in a light box is a hard proof etc. > > Understand that any viewing environment is going to be influenced by amient > light, regardless of the specific light source be it day light, or any type > of artificial lighting. not to be over-complicated, but why would CIE come up with CIECAM97 and CIECAM02 if they didn't think environmental factors influencing appearance in a worthwhile workflow Windows Vista did CIECAM(date?) did you look up CIECAM02 in wikipedia? > > What is your specific, or special purpose/interest for needing this specific > icc profile for a *light room* (not LR the app)? managing appearance > > It doesn’t sound as though you have any interest in color management for > photography post processing. color is just a part of color appearance there are other factors outside the realm of CIECAM that influence appearance, like interimage ... one interimage factor involves composition of the photo, another is user "look and feel" preference other than accurate reproduction ... "look and feel" can be handled in ICC "abstract" profiles consumers prefer bluer blue skies than they really are, and greener grass ... professional customers have their own preferences too >> >> >> I think ICC considers CIECAM02 > > You think? not an expert at it, should have displayed more confidence since I know some of it > > CIECAM02 is a color model. it is a color "appearance" model > > Perhaps looking at the entire Datacolor, and/or X-Rite Pantone sites might > provide some information regarding color management outside the realm of > photography. Some how I don’t believe that anything us photographers say is > going to satisfy you. > > <https://www.datacolor.com> > <https://www.xrite.com> > I am familiar with a little more than the basics of instrumental/absolute color management ... the name of the product "Lightroom" reminded me of light boxes and viewing environment setups used for soft/hard proofing in prepress ... and film/paper design for pro-sumers absolute color management might be a good enough workflow, I was interested to see how relative color management ... appearance models ... have progressed in the professional markets .... -- dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/ Not a professional opinion unless specified.
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ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-25 06:02 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-25 07:38 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-25 08:33 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-25 11:21 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2018-07-26 12:43 +1200
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-30 19:44 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-07-30 17:31 -0700
Re: ICC profile for a light box Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-07-30 17:33 -0700
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-30 21:49 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-30 21:57 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 05:52 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-07-31 06:01 -0700
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 09:58 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-31 10:06 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 10:22 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 10:30 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-07-31 07:46 -0700
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 11:59 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 20:35 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2018-08-01 12:24 +1200
Re: ICC profile for a light box Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-08-02 09:54 +0100
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-08-02 15:48 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-08-05 14:31 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-07-30 19:07 -0700
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 05:51 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-30 21:45 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-30 21:46 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 05:52 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-31 07:07 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box PeterN <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> - 2018-08-02 18:28 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-30 21:31 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2018-07-30 21:47 -0400
Re: ICC profile for a light box Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2018-08-01 12:28 +1200
Re: ICC profile for a light box nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-31 20:59 -0400
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