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Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You

From Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.atheism
Subject Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You
Date 2016-06-05 20:06 -0700
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:08:46 -0400, Robert Duncan wrote:

> On 6/5/2016 7:02 PM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>> [snips]
>>
>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:34:26 -0400, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>
>>> But you would first have to show, and prove, where Dr. Nelson's
>>> argument is based solely on his biased opinion, and not on his
>>> profession knowledge acquired at graduate school.
>>
>> The very fact he's a proponent of intelligent design suffices to
>> demonstrate his argument is *not* based upon actual education; thus his
>> apparent bias - his creationist leanings - are both sufficient to show
>> him a loon and disregard his arguments.
>>
>> There's also a subtle, but distinct difference between "Your argument
>> is wrong because you're a creationist loon" and "your argument isn't
>> worth examining for any potential merit, because you're a creationist
>> loon".
>>
>> Most arguments against creationist loons and their screeds fall afoul
>> of the second of those.
>>
>>
> That's nothing more than your unsubstantiated, ad hominem, straw man
> opinion.
> 
> Any fool can do one of those.

Actually, it's not.

Creationism rests, at its core, on magic - which it is absolutely unable 
to demonstrate, in any case, despite thousands of years of chances.

If your position requires one to adopt magic, and be completely unable to 
actually show such magic, there is *no* fallacy involved in regarding you 
as a loon and writing your rantings off as unworthy of examination.

There is a simple, trivial fix to this.  Two, actually.  One is to show 
the magic.  The other is to stop pretending it exists.

When these creationist nitwits pick one of those and apply it, we'll be 
here, ready to listen.

Calling bullshit bullshit is not a fallacy.  Nor is expecting the 
claimant of something to demonstrate that what he's claiming is *not* 
bullshit.

These guys are cranks and loons, not deserving of the energy needed to 
pee on them when they're on fire.  If and when they make a choice and 
stick to it - give up the magic, or demonstrate it - again, we'll be here.

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Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-05 08:17 -0400
  Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0700
    Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-05 08:54 -0700
      Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-05 14:34 -0400
        Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 13:43 -0700
        Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-05 16:35 -0700
          Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-05 21:04 -0700
            Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 21:52 -0700
              Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-06 23:05 -0700
        Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-06-06 13:02 -0700
          Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-06 23:03 -0700
            Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:24 -0700
      Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 15:26 -0400
        Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-05 15:47 -0400
          Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 16:27 -0400
            Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-05 17:34 -0400
              Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 18:29 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-05 18:44 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 23:41 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 12:54 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-05 21:03 -0700
              Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 16:02 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-05 20:08 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 20:06 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-06 00:07 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 08:41 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-06 14:25 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:50 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 00:25 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 10:54 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 16:03 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 17:46 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-07 14:53 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 18:08 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-07 15:29 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 19:00 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:05 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-07 17:18 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 18:21 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They ArenŽt Telling You Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-10 15:52 +0000
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 20:03 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-08 01:39 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 04:06 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-08 05:57 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 17:20 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 20:42 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:55 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-08 01:46 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:19 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-06-07 19:09 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:15 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:08 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 21:56 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-05 21:03 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They ArenŽt Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 00:34 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They ArenŽt Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-06 07:06 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They ArenŽt Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 08:39 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-06 14:35 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:49 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 00:23 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 10:54 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 16:01 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 17:15 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 20:44 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-06-07 18:22 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 21:52 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:16 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-06-07 18:18 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-07 22:06 -0400
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren't Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:11 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They ArenŽt Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 15:56 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They ArenŽt Telling You "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:08 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 22:14 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-07 11:48 -0700
        Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-05 21:04 -0700
          Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 23:49 -0700
            Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-06 00:37 -0700
              Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 15:44 -0700
                Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-06-07 17:19 -0700
          Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:53 -0400
            Re: Evolution Theory- What They Aren´t Telling You Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-06-06 14:45 -0400
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