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Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery?

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Date	2018-10-12 22:27 -0700
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Subject	Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery?
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On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 9:26:36 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:24:30 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
> <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> >Same energy in (full sunlight minus that reflected), same electrical 
> >energy out (nil). Therfore same amount of heating.  With the open circuit 
> >panel it's conduction through the diode junctions of each cell (hole-electron
> >recombination at the junction) that produces the same heat energy as the
> >resistive heating in the shorted panel, If you want to reduce the
> >self-heating of a panel electrically you connect it to a load (preferably MPPT)
> 
> I was under the impression (apparently false) that a cells internal
> resistance was lowest at the MPP and increases on either side, which
> reduces the efficiency of the cell at either extreme (open and short
> circuit).  Therefore the self heating would be at maximum at the MPP
> and less with an open or short circuit.  I guess that's not true,
> although right now, I can't see why.

You are thinking of MPPT curve as being controlled by some active circuit.  The curve is drawn by varying the load resistance with everything else constant.  So in that case the MPP *is* the point of matched impedance.  The active circuit is needed because the load is the load (usually not resistive) and the other factors vary.  

Rick C.

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Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? oldschool@tubes.com - 2018-10-11 00:32 -0500
  Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-11 06:10 +0000
  Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-11 05:51 -0700
  Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-11 06:18 -0700
  Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2018-10-11 10:39 -0700
    Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-11 22:41 -0400
  Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-11 12:14 -0700
    Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-11 22:34 +0000
      Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-11 19:31 -0700
        Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 05:02 +0000
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-11 23:05 -0700
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-12 09:08 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 09:36 -0700
              Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-12 10:20 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 10:37 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 09:41 -0700
              Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-12 10:04 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 19:24 +0000
              Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-12 18:26 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 22:27 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-13 05:32 +0000
        Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2018-10-12 02:12 -0500
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 09:15 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2018-10-13 15:14 -0500
              Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 20:34 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2018-10-15 20:39 -0500
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-15 21:28 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2018-10-16 18:08 -0500
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-16 16:29 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-16 16:47 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2018-10-17 02:23 -0500
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-12 09:23 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 09:48 -0700
              Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-12 17:57 -0700
                Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 22:19 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 19:56 +0000
        Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-12 07:36 +0000
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-12 05:59 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-12 13:06 +0000
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 09:18 -0700
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-12 09:44 -0700
            Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-12 17:57 +0000
        Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 23:23 -0700
          Re: Can a small photocell panel be connected to a flashlight type rechargable battery? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 04:56 -0700

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