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| Subject | Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. |
| From | Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 14:20 +0000 |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:7ikn2lhlldoj7a4tinplnrilsr8fab5db7@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 02:39:09 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <XnsB468DAFEA68C3629555@185.151.15.118> wrote:
>
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:ootf2ldk1bq41dv8755j8e3t0ugvp51oq8@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 13:52:17 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <XnsB46559130B099629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> From the viewpoint of today the war was unnecessary. The
>>>>> entire purpose of slavery was to provide cheap labor and the
>>>>> Industrial Revolution ws on the way. It is cheaper to have
>>>>> machines work that either employees or slaves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slavery as an institution was doomed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The value of slaves was going UP when
>>>>the Confederates attacked, "Cotton is king",
>>>>Southern exports were booming and the planters
>>>>would make even MORE money from legal slavery.
>>>
>>> Slaves were too expensive for the average person to own one.
>>> They were mostly held by the large farms that raised enough
>>> crops to afford the upkeep cost. Not only the initial cost
>>> but food, shelter, and clothing as well as security.
>>
>>
>> Exactly. Slaves were expensive,
>>giving them away (emancipation) was
>>out of the question. The secession
>>was about slavery.
>
> The specific cause was slavery but the legal issue was
> whether or not a federal law could negate a state law. Did
> the Federal Government have the legal power to tell the
> states what they could or could not do.
The federal government did NOTHING
about slavery at time of secession. In
fact it legitimized slavery by enacting
the Fugitive Slave Law Southerners
demanded. And Lincoln told the South
they could KEEP slavery. How is that an
interference?
>>>>> The fifty states today are stronger in every way as a result
>>>>> of being part of a single polity than by being part of two
>>>>> separate ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And that was Lincoln's position when
>>>>the South started the war. They were always
>>>>"states in rebellion" to him, he rightfully
>>>>denied their nationhood.
>>>
>>> He had little to do with it. Congress enacted the laws and
>>> raised the army.
>>
>>
>> Congress enacted no laws prior to
>>secession or even the attack on Ft Sumter.
>
> The CSA was formed in the expectation that such laws would
> be passed.
The attacks on Ft Sumter and Pearl
Harbor were both justified as "expectation".
Were they correct?
>>> There are strong parallels between the
>>> splitting off of the CSA and the formation of the United
>>> Colonies to end British rule in 1776. The Colonies won and
>>> the CSA lost. That was basically the major difference.
>>>
>>
>> The Colonies tried to negotiate
>>prior to separation, the CSA did not.
>
> The negotiation was the election of 1860.
The election where the South would
not even allow Lincoln to be on the ballot.
Where was the negotiation in that?
>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They seceded to expand slavery. Not
>>>>>>>>>>>>because of any "state's rights".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Expand where?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All new territories and states.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They wanted slavery to be legal just as the Union wanted it
>>>>>>>>> to be illegal. Remember we are talking about a country
>>>>>>>>> separate from the US and who had it's own laws.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually "the North" had advocated
>>>>>>>>popular sovereignty on the issue, as was
>>>>>>>>the case with the Kansas Nebrska Act. But
>>>>>>>>the South rejected even that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying they were required to accept it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. All Americans are required
>>>>>>to obey lawfully enacted and Constitutional
>>>>>>laws. The South applauded when John Brown
>>>>>>was hanged for attacking federal property
>>>>>>but then turned around attacked federal
>>>>>>property themselves. Why should we honor
>>>>>>that with statues?
>>>>>
>>>>> You ignore the fact that the CSA did not consider themselves
>>>>> bound by Union law any more then the Colonists considered
>>>>> themselves bound by English law in 1776. They had formed a
>>>>> separate country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The DACA children "consider themselves"
>>>>to be Americans, does that make it so?
>>>
>>> Not under American law. They can always try to form their
>>> own country if they don't like the law. Good luck with
>>> that.
>>
>>
>> "Consider themselve to be" is not an
>>excuse for DACAs but IS an excuse for
>>slaveowners?
>
> They formed their own country so they could have their own
> laws.
And then they attacked America.
Why should that be honored with statues?
>
> DACA is free to try the same thing.
>
>>>>
>>>> Since when has US law been nullified by
>>>>what violators "consider themselves" to be?
>>>
>>> The same thing the Colonists were in 1776 when they rejected
>>> British law.
>>
>>
>> The colonists had no representation
>>in British government, the South had SCADS
>>of representation in the US government.
>>And the Supreme Court, as the Dred Scott
>>ruling proves.
>
> All irrelevant. The CSA felt their only option was to form
> their own separate government apart from the US.
>
Their "only option" when they didn't
even try to negotiate with the government?
"We lost the election, we are leaving and
declaring war on you" is hardly an option.
>>
>>>>>>> The South was for the enforcement of state laws and not
>>>>>>> conflicting federal laws. Again you are talking about
>>>>>>> Federal law (allowing the issue to be voted upon) and
>>>>>>> existing state laws. The South wanted each new state to
>>>>>>> make their own laws and not be bound by any Federal law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong. The CSA Constitution itself
>>>>>>(see above) nullified state laws that
>>>>>>conflicted with their Constitution.
>>>>>>Where is the respect for "state's rights"
>>>>>>in that?
>>>>>
>>>>> The US Articles of Confederation then the Constitution
>>>>> nullified English laws that were considered unacceptable.
>>>>> Such as the quartering of soldiers in private homes.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it was to have the same laws why bother to create a new
>>>>> country?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both the Confederate and US Constitutions
>>>>ordered states to obey national laws. The whole
>>>>argument of "state's rights" is a myth. Neither
>>>>country recognized them.
>>>
>>> The Confederate Constitution was for a group of states that
>>> were not a part of the US and did not consider themselves as
>>> bound by any US laws. Just as the Colonists considered
>>> themselves as not a part of England and were not bound by
>>> the laws of England.
>>>
>>> Why do you have such a problem understanding that?
>>>
>>
>> There were no "State's rights" in either
>>Constititon.
>
> The US was not involved in forming the CSA Constitution any
> more than the British government was involved in writing
> either the DoI or the Constitution. Any similarity is
> purely coincidental.
>
The CSA constitution had even more
nandates on the states than the US one.
And they followed it up with even MORE
mandates, like a military draft and an
income tax.
"Jefferson Davis antagonized many with his increased
willingness over time to jettison states’ rights in
favor of more centralized power. Like Lincoln, he
used the war as justification to suspend, on several
occasions, basic liberties such as habeas corpus. To
maximize the Confederacy’s mobilization of manpower,
he pushed a conscription bill through the Confederate
Congress in 1862. In addition, Davis imposed taxes and
regulations designed to manage the economy and support
the war effort, confiscated private property, and
imposed martial law."
https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/davis-jefferson-1808-1889/
>
>>
>>
>>> As far as the CSA was concerned the US was as much of a
>>> foreign country as Mexico, England, France or Germany.
>>
>>
>> If the CSA considered the US a foreign
>>country why did it demand the return of
>>slaves under the US Fugitive Slave act?
>
> Because it's internal laws had been violated.
What internal laws were violated?
They demand the return of slaves from
all states and all states complied.
> The same
> reason the US would pressure a foreign country to return
> someone who is wanted and is in that foreign country.
>
> Today if someone owned a cow that crossed into Mexico would
> the owner not request the return of his property?
>
How is giving Southern states what
they wanted "interference"?
>>> You can't seem to understand that the states involved at the
>>> time considered the situation as they saw it and determined
>>> the best solution was to simply separate themselves from the
>>> US and form their own country. They passed this as a
>>> resolution in their state legislature, wrote their own
>>> Constitution, and signed it. They did not need any
>>> permission from anyone to do this and they did not need to
>>> state any reason although the issues were well known. Just
>>> as the Colonies made their own laws the CSA made their own
>>> laws.
>>
>>
>> The Colonies had not previously
>>signed a British Constitution, nor
>>had they any representation in the
>>British government. They were subjects,
>>the Southerners were US citizens with
>>control of the US legislature. Trying
>>to equate the two is silly.
>
> The Colonists were subject to the British Crown under the
> laws in effect at the time. Colonists were not represented
> in the British government but were subjects of the home
> country.
Exactly. The Colonists were forced to
be subjects of Britian, the South AGREED to
be citizens of the US.
>
> The US and the CSA had different types of governments that
> involved representation.
Read the CSA Constition, is almost
an exact copy of the US one.
>>>>>>>> The Southern states didn't have a
>>>>>>>>problem with the Constitution when they
>>>>>>>>voted to ratify it in 1789.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one was trying to pass federal law that conflicted with
>>>>>>> state law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Supremacy Clause was in the
>>>>>>Constititon when the Southern states
>>>>>>ratifided it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Conditions had changed between 1789 and 1861 just as
>>>>> conditions had changed between the time the English settled
>>>>> the Colonies and 1776.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What conditions changed? The South
>>>>understood the Supremecy Clause applied
>>>>to them, even as they created one just
>>>>like it in their own government.
>>>
>>> In 1789 no one was trying to pass any Federal laws the
>>> states found to be unacceptable.
>>
>>
>> All states ratifying the US
>>Constitution found the terms to
>>be acceptable.
>
> In 1789. But not in 1861. Just as the Colonists for
> hundreds of years found the British government acceptable.
> Until they didn't.
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, the Confederate Constition
>>>>>>had SAME SUPREMACY CLAUSE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"This Constitution, and the laws of the
>>>>>>Confederate States made in pursuance
>>>>>>thereof, and all treaties made, or which
>>>>>>shall be made, under the authority of the
>>>>>>Confederate States, shall be the supreme
>>>>>>law of the land; and the judges in every
>>>>>>State shall be bound thereby, anything in
>>>>>>the constitution or laws of any State to
>>>>>>the contrary notwithstanding."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Different Constitution with a different set of federal laws.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Supremacy Clauses in the US and CSA
>>>>Constitutions are identical.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You still don't get it.
>>>
>>> The US was bound by the laws passed by the US government.
>>> THE CSA was bound by the laws passed by the Confederate
>>> government.
>>>
>>
>> The Southern states signed the US
>>Constitution and agreed to be bound by it.
>
> In 1789. They felt conditions had changed and formed their
> own country with their own laws.
>
What conditions changed? Because they
lost an election?
>>
>>> The CSA was no more required to obey US law than the US was
>>> required to obey CSA law.
>>
>>
>> There was no legal CSA law. Their
>>declarations were always a nullity.
>>
>
> They were legal in the CSA just as US laws are legal in the
> US and Mexican laws are legal in Mexico.
The CSA didn't even obey it's own laws,
witness the use of martial law and confication
of private property and denial of due process.
It had no international recognition and no
legitimacy. Claiming you are sovereign entity
doesn't work for criminal defendants and it
didn't work for the Confederacy.
>
> You can't seem to understand the Confederate States of
> America was an accomplished fact and had their own set of
> laws. No US law applied in any way any more than any
> British law applied in the US after the Articles of
> Confederacy.
>
> The Revolutionary War was won by the Colonies therefore the
> government they established survived and continued.
>
> The Civil War ws lost by the CSA therefore the government
> the CSA established was dissolved and the states returned to
> the US under conditions established and controlled by the
> US.
>
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Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-07-01 10:49 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-07-01 18:23 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-07-01 15:35 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-07-02 01:47 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-07-02 04:47 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-07-02 13:28 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-07-02 11:01 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-07-02 13:34 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 09:26 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-07-02 13:32 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 23:47 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 12:33 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 17:57 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:50 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-25 01:45 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-25 02:44 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 11:59 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 23:45 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 11:09 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 18:00 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 23:46 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-21 19:01 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 18:15 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-19 02:22 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-19 05:41 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 09:53 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-19 18:14 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 01:30 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 10:43 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-20 09:20 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-21 13:59 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-21 08:35 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-21 19:09 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-21 17:16 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-22 06:51 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 02:23 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:43 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 18:34 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 19:04 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-23 09:44 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 02:16 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:58 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 13:26 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 10:32 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-26 13:38 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 10:09 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-26 09:21 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 11:08 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-23 09:43 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 19:12 -0400
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-19 09:01 -0700
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Amal Bond <ab@ifx.net> - 2026-06-20 02:11 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-18 20:30 -0700
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-20 02:07 +0000
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-19 22:34 -0600
Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 02:29 -0400
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