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Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it.

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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
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> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 13:52:17 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <XnsB46559130B099629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
> 
>>> From the viewpoint of today the war  was unnecessary.  The
>>> entire purpose of slavery was to provide cheap labor and the
>>> Industrial Revolution ws on the way.  It is cheaper to have
>>> machines work that either employees or slaves.
>>> 
>>> Slavery as an institution was doomed.
>>
>>
>>    The value of slaves was going UP when
>>the Confederates attacked, "Cotton is king",
>>Southern exports were booming and the planters
>>would make even MORE money from legal slavery.
> 
> Slaves were too expensive for the average person to own one.
> They were mostly held by the large farms that raised enough
> crops to afford the upkeep cost.  Not only the initial cost
> but food, shelter, and clothing as well as security.

 
    Exactly. Slaves were expensive, 
giving them away (emancipation) was
out of the question. The secession
was about slavery. 


>>> The fifty states today are stronger in every way as a result
>>> of being part of a single polity than by being part of two
>>> separate ones.
>>> 
>>
>>     And that was Lincoln's position when 
>>the South started the war. They were always
>>"states in rebellion" to him, he rightfully
>>denied their nationhood. 
> 
> He had little to do with it.  Congress enacted the laws and
> raised the army. 


    Congress enacted no laws prior to 
secession or even the attack on Ft Sumter. 


>  There are strong parallels between the
> splitting off of the CSA and the formation of the United
> Colonies to end British rule in 1776.  The Colonies won and
> the CSA lost.  That was basically the major difference.
> 

     The Colonies tried to negotiate 
prior to separation, the CSA did not. 



> 
>>>>>>>>>>     They seceded to expand slavery. Not 
>>>>>>>>>>because of any "state's rights". 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Expand where?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    All new territories and states. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They wanted slavery to be legal just as the Union wanted it
>>>>>>> to be illegal.  Remember we are talking about a country
>>>>>>> separate from the US and who had it's own laws.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Actually "the North" had advocated 
>>>>>>popular sovereignty on the issue, as was
>>>>>>the case with the Kansas Nebrska Act. But 
>>>>>>the South rejected even that. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you saying they were required to accept it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Exactly. All Americans are required 
>>>>to obey lawfully enacted and Constitutional 
>>>>laws. The South applauded when John Brown 
>>>>was hanged for attacking federal property
>>>>but then turned around attacked federal 
>>>>property themselves. Why should we honor
>>>>that with statues?
>>> 
>>> You ignore the fact that the CSA did not consider themselves
>>> bound by Union law any more then the Colonists considered
>>> themselves  bound by English law in 1776.  They had formed a
>>> separate country.
>>
>>
>>    The DACA children "consider themselves"
>>to be Americans, does that make it so? 
> 
> Not under American law.  They can always try to form their
> own country if they don't like the law.  Good luck with
> that.


   "Consider themselve to be" is not an
excuse for DACAs but IS an excuse for 
slaveowners?



> 
>>
>>     Since when has US law been nullified by 
>>what violators "consider themselves" to be?
> 
> The same thing the Colonists were in 1776 when they rejected
> British law.


    The colonists had no representation
in British government, the South had SCADS
of representation in the US government. 
And the Supreme Court, as the Dred Scott
ruling proves.  


 
>>>>> The South was for the enforcement of state laws and not
>>>>> conflicting federal laws.  Again you are talking about
>>>>> Federal law (allowing the issue to be voted upon) and
>>>>> existing state laws.  The South wanted each new state to
>>>>> make their own laws and not be bound by any Federal law.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Wrong. The CSA Constitution itself 
>>>>(see above) nullified state laws that 
>>>>conflicted with their Constitution. 
>>>>Where is the respect for "state's rights"
>>>>in that? 
>>> 
>>> The US Articles of Confederation then the Constitution
>>> nullified English laws that were considered unacceptable.
>>> Such as the quartering of soldiers in private homes.
>>> 
>>> If it was to have the same laws why bother to create a new
>>> country?
>>
>>
>>      Both the Confederate and US Constitutions
>>ordered states to obey national laws. The whole
>>argument of "state's rights" is a myth. Neither
>>country recognized them. 
> 
> The Confederate Constitution was for a group of states that
> were not a part of the US and did not consider themselves as
> bound by any US laws.  Just as the Colonists considered
> themselves as not a part of England and were not bound by
> the laws of England.
> 
> Why do you have such a problem understanding that?
> 

    There were no "State's rights" in either
Constititon. 


> As far as the CSA was concerned the US was as much of a
> foreign country as Mexico, England, France or Germany.


    If the CSA considered the US a foreign
country why did it demand the return of 
slaves under the US Fugitive Slave act?



>>>>>>>>>>>>     The Confederacy attacked America, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>why should we "honor" that with statues?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That is a modern viewpoint.  At the time it was the Union
>>>>>>>>>>> and the CSA.  The Union considered the states as still part
>>>>>>>>>>> of the union.  The CSA did not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     States do not get to "consider" what laws
>>>>>>>>>>they will obey. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That was not the issue.  The South considered their laws
>>>>>>>>> should apply when Federal laws were different.  Congress had
>>>>>>>>> no right to pass laws that conflicted with State laws.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    1) What laws? Congress passed no laws
>>>>>>>>limiting slavery before the South seceded. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The election of 1860 had the issue of slavery as a major par
>>>>>>> of the campaign and the Republican Party had stated they
>>>>>>> would make slavery illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Lincoln only won 39% of the vote, his
>>>>>>opinions were hardly the force of law. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> No President can pas laws.  Only Congress can do that.  The
>>>>> election of 1860 put enough people in power to pass laws
>>>>> against slavery.  The new Congress and President wee sworn
>>>>> in on March 4, 1861.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Provisional CSA Constitution was signed prior to this.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>       Exactly. The South seceded without even
>>>>trying to negotiate with Lincoln or even the
>>>>sympathic Buchanan. 
>>> 
>>> The people at the time considered they had good reason to do
>>> this.  Just like the Colonists considered they had good
>>> reason to end English rule and form a new country.
>>
>>
>>     What the South did was a rebellion,
>>not a political movement. Even the Founding
>>Fathers tried to negotiate with their 
>>existing government. Look up "Olive Branch
>>Petition" sometime.
> 
> You can't seem to understand that the states involved at the
> time considered the situation as they saw it and determined
> the best solution was to simply separate themselves from the
> US and form their own country.  They passed this as a
> resolution in their state legislature, wrote their own
> Constitution, and signed it.  They did not need any
> permission from anyone to do this and they did not need to
> state any reason although the issues were well known.  Just
> as the Colonies made their own laws the CSA made their own
> laws.


    The Colonies had not previously 
signed a British Constitution, nor 
had they any representation in the 
British government. They were subjects,
the Southerners were US citizens with
control of the US legislature. Trying
to equate the two is silly. 


     


> 
> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      The Southern states didn't have a 
>>>>>>problem with the Constitution when they
>>>>>>voted to ratify it in 1789.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No one was trying to pass federal law that conflicted with
>>>>> state law.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      The Supremacy Clause was in the
>>>>Constititon when the Southern states 
>>>>ratifided it. 
>>> 
>>> Conditions had changed between 1789 and 1861 just as
>>> conditions had changed between the time the English settled
>>> the Colonies and 1776.
>>
>>
>>     What conditions changed? The South 
>>understood the Supremecy Clause applied
>>to them, even as they created one just
>>like it in their own government. 
> 
> In 1789 no one was trying to pass any Federal laws the
> states found to be unacceptable.

  
     All states ratifying the US 
Constitution found the terms to 
be acceptable.  



>>>>
>>>>      Indeed, the Confederate Constition
>>>>had SAME SUPREMACY CLAUSE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"This Constitution, and the laws of the 
>>>>Confederate States made in pursuance 
>>>>thereof, and all treaties made, or which 
>>>>shall be made, under the authority of the 
>>>>Confederate States, shall be the supreme 
>>>>law of the land; and the judges in every 
>>>>State shall be bound thereby, anything in 
>>>>the constitution or laws of any State to 
>>>>the contrary notwithstanding."
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Different Constitution with a different set of federal laws.
>>> 
>>
>>
>>    The Supremacy Clauses in the US and CSA 
>>Constitutions are identical. 
>>
> 
> You still don't get it.
> 
> The US was bound by the laws passed by the US government.
> THE CSA was bound by the laws passed by the Confederate
> government.
> 

      The Southern states signed the US 
Constitution and agreed to be bound by it. 


> The CSA was no more required to obey US law than the US was
> required to obey CSA law.


      There was no legal CSA law. Their 
declarations were always a nullity. 

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                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 13:26 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 10:32 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-26 13:38 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 10:09 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-26 09:21 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 11:08 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-23 09:43 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 19:12 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-19 09:01 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Amal Bond <ab@ifx.net> - 2026-06-20 02:11 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-18 20:30 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-20 02:07 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-19 22:34 -0600
  Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 02:29 -0400

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