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Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it.

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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
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> On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 01:47:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <XnsB461D251D1F1D629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
> 
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
>>news:udn32llqvglvb0uvd9sprcc3vf8e6r2fo5@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2026 13:22:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <XnsB4605408C4795629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
>>>>news:uqnu1lp46ipntnuqgr6i3isgpi94kagbg8@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 31 May 2026 18:07:19 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <XnsB45D845A9EBC0629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
>>>>>>news:27io1lpn25tp6d3cu2vqlf2843tl2sotil@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 29 May 2026 02:08:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <XnsB45AD5F92E0A5629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In these examples there were no state laws to conflict with
>>>>>>>>> federal law.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     The above just illustrate that the Confederacy was
>>>>>>>>about defending slavery, they didn't care whit about
>>>>>>>>"states rights"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just exactly how was the North going to end slavery?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    As shown by the portion you snipped,
>>>>>>at the time the South seceded the North
>>>>>>wasn't TRYING to end slavery. In fact 
>>>>>>Lincoln offered to PRESERVE slavery in
>>>>>>the states that already had it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that is true why was the CSA even formed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Confederates wanted to EXPAND slavery,
>>>>Lincoln was opposed to that. And they 
>>>>seceded without even trying to negotiate
>>>>the issue. 
>>> 
>>> Expand it where?
>>
>>
>>     From the Confederate Constitution:
>>
>>
>>"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; 
>>and Congress shall have power to legislate and 
>>provide governments for the inhabitants of all 
>>territory belonging to the Confederate States.
>>In all such territory the institution of negro 
>>slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate 
>>States, shall be recognized and protected"
>>Art IV, Sec 3, CSA Constitution
> 
> The North at the time was advocating all new territory be
> fee of slaves. 

     But had pass no laws regarding that. 


>  The CSA was simply stating their position on
> the matter.  You seem to have a problem in understanding
> conditions before and after succession.

     The South started the over a demand
to expand slavery. Not "states rights",
not "Southern way of life", not "defense 
of property"


> 
> The Confederate Constitution went into effect AFTER
> succession, not before.


     Did you notice the CSA denial of 
popular sovereignty? New territories 
MUST have legal slavery even if the 
locals don't want it. So much for 
"states rights"

> 
> AI Overview
> 
> Historical Context and Documents Provisional Constitution:
> Before the permanent constitution, delegates from the
> seceding states adopted a Provisional Constitution on
> February 8, 1861, in Montgomery, Alabama, to serve as a
> temporary framework.Superseded: The permanent constitution
> went into effect on February 22, 1862.
> 
>>
>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     State objections were not allowed.
>>>>>>>>>>The CSA Constitution mandated legal slavery
>>>>>>>>>>regardless of local opinion.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That was the way the CSA system was constructed.  It did not
>>>>>>>>> exist when the states left the union.  At that point it was
>>>>>>>>> state power vs federal power.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Exactly. The CSA was about slavery, 
>>>>>>>>not state's rights. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You are saying the only thing the CSA was concerned about
>>>>>>> was slavery?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  A sampling of the Declaration of
>>>>>>Secession documents:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mississippi: "Our position is thoroughly 
>>>>>>identified with the institution of slavery"
>>>>> 
>>>>> The issue ws slavery but it rested upon the law, which the
>>>>> states felt should hold state law as paramount.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>    The Supremecy Clause is in the Constitution.
>>>>Which Southerners loved when it came to forcing
>>>>states to return runaway slaves to their owners.
>>> 
>>> There was nothing in Northern law that said differently.
>>> Stolen property was returned to the owner.  Do you have a
>>> problem with that?
>>> 
>>
>>    Funny how slaves were both property
>>AND people ("3/5ths of a person") when 
>>it came to congressional representation. 
> 
> That was a legal fiction used to help ratify the
> Constitution.  
> 
>>And when a slave fled to Canada or Mexico
>>how did they suddenly become a person?
> 
> The laws of the country governed.  US law is not valid in
> Canada or Mexico today just as their laws are not valid in
> the US.


    The South claims property becomes a 
person according to locals laws. Just as
pro-lifers claim a zygote is a person 
and not a person accurding to local laws. 



>>>>>>Georgia:  "For the last ten years we have 
>>>>>>had numerous and serious causes of complaint
>>>>>>against our non-slave-holding confederate 
>>>>>>States with reference to the subject of 
>>>>>>African slavery."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>South Carolina:  "an increasing hostility 
>>>>>>on the part of the non-slaveholding States 
>>>>>>to the institution of slavery."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Texas:  "maintaining and protecting the 
>>>>>>institution known as negro slavery -- the 
>>>>>>servitude of the African to the white race."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-
>>>>>>seceding-states
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Lincoln offered to PRESERVE SLAVERY.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Buchanan offered to PRESERVE SLAVERY.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Who was trying to "end slavery"?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The Republican Party and their platform.  Especially in any
>>>>>>>>> new states.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Show us what the 1860 GOP platform
>>>>>>>>says about slavery.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Look it up yourself.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>     There were no abolition bills
>>>>>>>>>>in Congress at the time.  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Because the new Congress had not been sworn in.  Nor had
>>>>>>>>> Lincoln.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Exactly. The Slavery States didn't 
>>>>>>>>want to even negotiate the issue.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There was nothing to negotiate.  The South would not accept
>>>>>>> all new states being slave free and the North would accept
>>>>>>> nothing else.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Where did "the Horth" say that at the
>>>>>>time of secession?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Secession occurred because the South expected what the North
>>>>> eventually did.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>     They seceded to expand slavery. Not 
>>>>because of any "state's rights". 
>>> 
>>> Expand where?
>>> 
>>
>>    All new territories and states. 
> 
> They wanted slavery to be legal just as the Union wanted it
> to be illegal.  Remember we are talking about a country
> separate from the US and who had it's own laws.
> 

     Actually "the North" had advocated 
popular sovereignty on the issue, as was
the case with the Kansas Nebrska Act. But 
the South rejected even that. 


> 
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> To prevent living under the laws against slavery.  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      So you admit secession was about slavery. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Not "states rights". 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Well, that's a start.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The basic issue was whether or not a state could pass laws
>>>>>>>>> that were in conflict with federal law and prevent federal
>>>>>>>>> law from being enforced in the state.  The particular issue
>>>>>>>>> were laws involving slavery.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Did any states secede over the federal
>>>>>>>>Slave Fugitive Acts? Many northern states 
>>>>>>>>hate them but didn't not attack the government
>>>>>>>>over this submission to southern state demands.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The South felt those laws did not apply to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Prisons are full of people who felt the
>>>>>>law didn't apply to them. Is that a legal 
>>>>>>justification for violating it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Persons are not organized and recognized states.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    You don't get to pick and choose what laws
>>>>apply to you. 
>>> 
>>> The Southern States felt their laws should come first.
>>
>>
>>     That is unconstitutional per the 
>>Supremecy Clause. 
> 
> Which is why they left the Union and formed the CSA. Nothing
> in the Constitution prevented this.
> 

      So the South was both for states
rights (their own) and against state's
rights (any new state voting against 
slavery).


>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did the individual states have the power to negate federal
>>>>>>>>> law by passing conflicting state law?  The Union said no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    The Supremecy Clause of the Constituion said no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The states said yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Secession is unconstitutional. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Only by Court interpretation, made after the Civil War.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   There is nothing in the Constution
>>>>>>that allows for secession. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is nothing to prevent it either.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Fact. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/74/700/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for supporting what I said.  In 1862 there was no
>>>>>>> legal mechanism for leaving the union or to prevent  states
>>>>>>> from leaving the union.  That was only decided on the
>>>>>>> battlefield.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     That battlefield being Ft Sumter. 
>>> 
>>> A part of South Carolina.
>>
>>
>>Nope. SoutH Carolina sold Ft Sumter
>>to the US in the 1820's.
>>
>>
>>"Resolved, That this state do cede to the United 
>>States, all the right, title and claim of South 
>>Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the 
>>requisite quantity of adjacent territory, Provided, 
>>That all processes, civil and criminal issued under 
>>the authority of this State, or any officer thereof, 
>>shall and may be served and executed upon the same, 
>>and any person there being who may be implicated by 
>>law; and that the said land, site and structures 
>>enumerated, shall be forever exempt from liability 
>>to pay any tax to this state. Also resolved: That the 
>>State shall extinguish the claim, if any valid claim 
>>there be, of any individuals under the authority of 
>>this State, to the land hereby ceded."
>>https://tinyurl.com/y8v6g4kb
>>
>>
>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The Confederacy attacked America, 
>>>>>>why should we "honor" that with statues?
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is a modern viewpoint.  At the time it was the Union
>>>>> and the CSA.  The Union considered the states as still part
>>>>> of the union.  The CSA did not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     States do not get to "consider" what laws
>>>>they will obey. 
>>>>
>>> 
>>> That was not the issue.  The South considered their laws
>>> should apply when Federal laws were different.  Congress had
>>> no right to pass laws that conflicted with State laws.
>>> 
>>
>>    1) What laws? Congress passed no laws
>>limiting slavery before the South seceded. 
> 
> The election of 1860 had the issue of slavery as a major par
> of the campaign and the Republican Party had stated they
> would make slavery illegal.


     Lincoln only won 39% of the vote, his
opinions were hardly the force of law. 


> 
>>
>>    2) And even if they did the Supremecy 
>>Clause required the states to obey them. 
>>
>>
> 
> The South disagreed.  So the states involved left and formed
> their own country. 


      The Southern states didn't have a 
problem with the Constitution when they
voted to ratify it in 1789.

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                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-20 09:20 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-21 13:59 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-21 08:35 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-21 19:09 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-21 17:16 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-22 06:51 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 02:23 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:43 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 18:34 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 19:04 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-23 09:44 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 02:16 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:58 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 13:26 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 10:32 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-26 13:38 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 10:09 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-26 09:21 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 11:08 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-23 09:43 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 19:12 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-19 09:01 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Amal Bond <ab@ifx.net> - 2026-06-20 02:11 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-18 20:30 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-20 02:07 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-19 22:34 -0600
  Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 02:29 -0400

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