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Re: really fast buffers

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George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

> It oscillates because of a slow edge and no hysteresis? 

It oscillates because of inductance in the base lead. Along with the base-
emitter capacitance and capacitance from the emitter to ground, this forms 
a Colpitts oscillator, which is one of the most vigorous oscillators known. 
It can accept an extremely wide range of parameters and still oscillate.

The purpose of the resistor in the base lead is to dampen the Q of the tank 
so oscillations are no longer possible.
 
> Is it similar to cap. multiplier oscillations?  

Could be. Any place where you have some inductance in the base and 
capacitance from the emitter to ground could form a Colpitts, especially 
where you have some inductance in the emitter lead.

Other configurations where fast transistors are connected together could 
become an oscillator. Some examples are:

  Cascode
  Darlington
  Sziklai pair
  etc

> (do all single transistor circuits map onto each other?)

The various configurations of the Colpitts are basically the same. It's 
just where you put the ground that makes them look different.

The difficulty with the Colpitts is it loves to oscillate. The conditions 
are layout-dependent and dependent on the gain and bandwidth of the 
transistor. The oscillations can completely destroy the desired performance 
of the circuit.

My approach is to assume the circuit will oscillate under the right 
conditions, and to include a resistor in the base in all critical circuits 
that could be susceptible to parasitics. After a while, you get to know 
what value would be appropriate, usually from 5 to 50 ohms. But check 
carefully.

This creates a problem. Often the oscillation frequency is far above the 
frequency range of the best equipment available in your lab. To compensate, 
you need some way to perturb the circuit and look for any change in the 
operating parameters. One method is to use a dental pick which is available 
at most pharmacies. This is a small stainless hook imbedded in plastic, 
with a cover to fit over the top. You can touch various points in the 
circuit an see if you can detect any change in the operataion.

The best by far is a wideband spectrum analyzer. You can make a small loop 
feeding a coax cable to the analyzer. Bring the loop near the circuit. any 
oscillation should become visible in the display.

Of course, with modern transistors, especially SiGe, you need a very high 
frequecy specctrum analyzer. These are not cheap.
 
> George H.   

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  Re: really fast buffers Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-03 15:23 -0700
    Re: really fast buffers Andy Bennet <andyb@andy.com> - 2018-10-04 08:20 +0100
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  Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 15:52 -0700
    Re: really fast buffers George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-03 18:08 -0700
      Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 20:02 -0700
  Re: really fast buffers bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 21:54 -0400
    Re: really fast buffers Steve Wilson <9fe142ac@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 20:10 -0700
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            Re: really fast buffers Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-04 12:38 -0400
              Re: really fast buffers Steve Wilson <9fe142ac@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 14:35 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-04 18:27 -0400
                Re: really fast buffers Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-05 03:21 +0000
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                Re: really fast buffers Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-05 03:12 +0000
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                Re: really fast buffers Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-05 23:42 +0000
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              Re: really fast buffers Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-05 03:09 +0000
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                Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 19:16 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:26 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-05 18:36 -0700
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                Re: really fast buffers <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-07 07:15 +0000
                Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-07 08:24 -0700
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                Re: really fast buffers Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2018-10-15 19:42 -0700
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                Re: really fast buffers krw@notreal.com - 2018-10-16 17:38 -0400
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                Re: really fast buffers bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-16 19:40 -0700
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                Re: really fast buffers Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2018-10-11 22:04 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 08:02 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2018-10-10 14:06 +0200
                Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-10 08:31 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2018-10-11 01:49 +0200
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                Re: really fast buffers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-11 05:47 +0000
                Re: really fast buffers Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2018-10-11 12:35 +0200
                Re: really fast buffers George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-06 12:39 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2018-10-06 20:11 +0000
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                Re: really fast buffers Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-06 14:45 -0400
                Re: really fast buffers George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-06 12:46 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-08 21:00 -0700
                Re: really fast buffers Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2018-10-09 07:11 +0200
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                Re: really fast buffers Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2018-10-09 15:17 +0200
          Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 09:18 -0700
            Re: really fast buffers Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-04 12:39 -0400
              Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 11:51 -0700
        Re: really fast buffers Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2018-10-08 13:19 +0200
          Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-08 08:52 -0700
  Re: really fast buffers whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 11:57 -0700
  Re: really fast buffers David Nadlinger <david@klickverbot.at> - 2018-10-04 23:05 +0100
    Re: really fast buffers John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 17:23 -0700
      Re: really fast buffers Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2018-10-05 11:26 +0200
        Re: really fast buffers Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-05 10:44 -0400

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