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Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US

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On 01/04/17 11:30, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 01/04/17 09:22, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 01/04/17 08:18, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> On 01/04/17 02:51, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>
>>> You're insulting over half the UK population who voted on the matter. Let's be
>>> clear -  /both/ sides lied; they were expressing political views. Anyone who
>>> expects any politician to tell the truth is living in cloud-cuckoo land.
>>
>> Indeed, but some lies were more egregious and self-serving
>> than others.
>
> Certainly, but does that make them worse or not? I've always considered
> half-truths to be more dangerous than blatant lies, as there is a nagging
> feeling that they /might/ be right.
>
>> Disgracefully there is an argument that some of the
>> leading Brexiteers weren't /lying/. Classic example
>> is David Davies (now minister for Brexit) who - until
>> /two months/ before the referendum - believed the UK
>> could negotiate trade deals with individual EU countries.
>> That would be illegal, of course.
>
> Hmm, it may be semantics, but is such a /negotiation/ illegal? Its
> /implementation/ would be, but what about just discussing it and not "signing on
> the dotted line"? If simply discussing it isn't, how long will it be before BMW
> and Mercedes executives call on Merkel (Frau Merkel, meine Aktienoptionen sind
> gefährdet)?

ISTR even negotiation is illegal, but don't quote me on that!
More importantly, who on earth waste time negotiating something
that would be illegal.

Most importantly, the depth of the vociferous Brexiteers'
ignorance is gobsmacking.


>> The depth of leading Brexiteers' ignorance was
>> breathtaking. Tenth-rate, some of them.
>
> Not so different to Cameron believing he could get a deal on immigration prior
> to the referendum.

When I was young and there were Ripping Yarns of
Empire-building Derring-do, there was often a backplot
where someone had cocked up so badly that they /entered/
a room with a loaded revolver and a bottle of whisky.

Cameron ought to Do The Decent Thing.

As for Farrage, Spinks, Carswell, I'd stake them out
over an anthill, and keep them supplied with drinking water.


>>> Brexit is not a good idea. On a scale of 1 to 20, it scores 2. The problem is
>>> that remaining in the EU scores 1. The EU has been voting itself more and more
>>> power for the past 20 years, and although needing reform, and talking about it
>>> (http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-future-idUKKBN1684X0) does little about it.
>>>
>>> Just to return to the original point about who has power in the EU setup, the
>>> diagram at the bottom of the page here explains it clearly:
>>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39217959
>>>
>>> Note the position of the "European Parliament (Directly elected)". The only
>>> democratically elected body in the EU, directly answerable to the half billion
>>> of so of its population, appears quite a way down in the pecking order.
>>
>> Oh, but in modern countries it is more subtle
>> than that! Take the UK: in such an org chart
>> the  sovereign is at the top and parliament
>> underneath.
>
> Well, I suppose that "Royal Assent" is part of the process. It's over 300 years
> since it was refused, and the Queen is much too savvy to exercise such power.
> But He Who Would Come Next? I'm not so sure...

... too savvy to /overtly/ exercise such power ...

As for speaker-with-flowers[1], he probably won't be there
for too long. I doubt he could do more damage than the
Brexiteers.

[1] with apologies to Larry Niven :)

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EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-30 12:50 +0000
  Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 14:15 +0100
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 08:23 -0700
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-30 15:35 +0000
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 17:07 +0100
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 12:33 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-30 21:04 +0000
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 15:19 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 18:01 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-31 20:22 +0000
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 16:45 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-04-01 15:56 -0400
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 19:09 -0700
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-04-02 02:39 +0000
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 17:50 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:55 -0400
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:13 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:08 +0100
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-31 07:45 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-31 20:38 +0000
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 22:45 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-31 20:20 -0700
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 00:11 -0700
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 09:13 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-04-01 07:03 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 18:35 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-01 01:09 +1000
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 09:24 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Chris <cbx@noreply.com> - 2017-03-30 18:18 +0000
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 12:32 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-30 11:52 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 21:05 -0400
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-30 18:36 -0700
  Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 06:18 -0700
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-31 08:01 +0100
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 01:47 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-31 11:49 +0100
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-31 20:46 +0000
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 18:51 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-04-01 08:18 +0100
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 09:22 +0100
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-04-01 11:30 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 12:13 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-04-01 15:11 +0000
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 19:13 -0700
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 04:50 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 16:19 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 19:31 -0700
  Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-30 11:50 -0400
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 17:08 +0100
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 19:37 +0100
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:10 +0100
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 12:08 +0100
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 12:36 -0700
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:34 -0700

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