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| Subject | Re: Fast buffer idea |
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 15:19 -0400 |
On 05/15/2017 03:05 PM, bitrex wrote: > On 05/15/2017 02:29 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> On Mon, 15 May 2017 13:38:11 -0400, bitrex >> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> On 05/15/2017 01:28 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>>>> Snoop the input current of that buffer. At 20 MHz, the overall >>>>>> current >>>>>> gain is less than 1. At 100 MHz, the current gain is about 0.1. You'd >>>>>> be better off with a piece of wire. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure what "input current" you're looking at. I'm seeing an >>>>> average current of around 600uA into the MOSFET gates at 100MHz. >>>> >>>> I put a 1 mohm resistor in series with the signal generator and probed >>>> the current, with a sine wave signal input. Try it and see what you >>>> get. >>> >>> How are the gate capacitances of the input MOSFETs supposed to be >>> charged up and down with that fuckin' thing sitting in the way?! >>> >>> Fuck the circuit to hell and then complain it's bad?! Shit! :O >> >> mohm means milliohm, in SI units and in Spice. > > Ok, I see what you mean; forgive my, uh, outburst. And there is a bug > with sine wave drive that isn't apparent with a square drive. > > Problem seems to be that with these slow transistors, I optimized R9 and > R10 to make a nice square wave. But those resistors aren't optimal for a > sine-wave of say 1V P2P; the boost transistors never turn on hard > enough, and if the output transistors can't get the current they need > they're going to try to pull it from somewhere, namely from the MOSFETs. > Or since Vds is fixed it can probably try to pull it right from the > input source. > > That's probably fixable. But it doesn't necessarily make sense to view a square wave as a Fourier series and judge the performance of a square-wave amplifier based on how well it amplifies a sine wave at the fundamental frequency if the system's parameters are not essentially LTI. If the bias of the amplifier is changing an enormous amount in response to certain signal amplitudes then it isn't really LTI. If one were clever or use even more parts I think it would be possible to slide the bias in a more uniform fashion to eliminate the non-linearity, but as it stands now the shift looks pretty bang-bang.
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Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 13:50 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 11:27 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-14 19:19 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 15:24 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 12:54 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 16:02 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 13:10 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 16:16 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 16:18 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 14:14 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 19:51 +0100
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 13:17 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 09:14 +1000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-16 16:26 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-17 02:04 -0500
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-14 20:26 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 16:31 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 16:43 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 14:17 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-14 21:53 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 16:14 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 19:59 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 20:06 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 00:16 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 20:10 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 03:28 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 20:48 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 04:17 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 07:56 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 06:58 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 12:59 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-15 07:01 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 10:09 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 10:18 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-15 08:56 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 16:02 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 10:33 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 18:15 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 14:25 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 14:26 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 16:24 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 16:36 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 17:18 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 13:30 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 18:07 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 19:19 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 19:45 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 08:33 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 19:13 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 15:33 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 08:16 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-16 22:10 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 19:10 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-15 08:55 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 12:51 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 12:56 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 13:05 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 10:28 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 13:38 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 11:29 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 18:41 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 13:19 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 20:46 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 13:56 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 21:00 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 16:46 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-16 01:22 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-16 11:16 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-16 18:55 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-16 12:21 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-16 20:33 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-16 14:00 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-16 21:21 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-16 16:15 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-16 23:58 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-16 17:51 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 16:30 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-17 00:16 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 18:05 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-16 20:05 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-25 01:13 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-24 21:43 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-30 03:16 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> - 2017-05-17 02:26 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-05-17 08:34 +0200
Re: Fast buffer idea Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> - 2017-05-17 14:31 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-17 10:39 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:02 +0800
Re: Fast buffer idea Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-05-16 21:24 +0200
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-16 20:12 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-25 04:38 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-25 07:28 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-26 08:54 -0500
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-26 14:14 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-26 07:21 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 20:27 +0100
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 15:05 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 15:19 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-15 13:21 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 20:56 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 17:37 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 19:50 +0100
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 19:25 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 20:19 +0100
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 14:33 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 13:15 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-15 15:38 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 08:12 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 18:47 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-16 21:52 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-25 05:05 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-25 05:42 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-25 05:49 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-25 08:10 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-05-25 15:01 +0200
Re: Fast buffer idea "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 18:53 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-15 02:45 +0000
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 15:23 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 20:28 +0100
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 16:00 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 16:10 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-14 17:58 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 23:13 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-16 17:27 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-16 17:34 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-14 20:14 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 19:42 +0100
Re: Fast buffer idea "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-16 03:29 -0500
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-16 06:57 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-16 22:47 -0400
Re: Fast buffer idea John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-16 20:18 -0700
Re: Fast buffer idea "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-17 02:22 -0500
Re: Fast buffer idea Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 14:05 +0000
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