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Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025

Subject Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025
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Date 2024-12-17 18:01 -0500

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Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>>
>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>>> power to play a game every hour.
>>>
>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>
>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.
> 
> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
> charging — of any kind).

Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a 
computer.

>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>>> CPU).
>>>
>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>>
>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
>> sooner, all the better.
> 
> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
> times now) I'm not a game player.

ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the 
Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64 
processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core 
and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have 
performance like they currently have but through much less battery power.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 19:35 -0500
  Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 00:47 +0000
    Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 20:05 -0500
      Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 06:06 +0000
        Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 01:18 -0500
          Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:27 -0500
        Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:23 -0500
          Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 07:07 -0500
            Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:23 -0500
      Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:56 -0500
        Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 15:44 +0000
          Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 12:55 -0500
            Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 07:23 +0000
              Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:12 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:27 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 10:59 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:13 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:57 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:30 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:01 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-18 06:00 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 08:50 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 02:04 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:45 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 19:53 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 14:34 -0600
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 17:15 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 18:28 -0600
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:08 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-20 01:16 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:37 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 18:31 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 13:42 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 21:03 -0600
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 05:56 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:58 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 18:28 +0000
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                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 07:39 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 13:56 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 07:45 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 09:45 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-20 20:37 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 16:51 -0500
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                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 17:43 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 07:47 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:25 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 22:42 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 18:19 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-21 18:26 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-22 00:24 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 07:12 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:31 +0000
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                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 09:49 +0000
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 13:01 -0500
                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 17:55 -0500
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                Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:44 +0000
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