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Re: Beware the microsoft cloud?

From jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Beware the microsoft cloud?
Date 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
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David Wade wrote:
> On 04/06/2016 14:44, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> David Wade wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2016 13:09, embracive wrote:
>>>> Bud Frede wrote:
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bud Frede wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the cloud can be good in some cases, like when you're a fairly
>>>>>>> small company but you need geographic diversity for your
>>>>>>> servers/datacenter. It's not ideal for everything (not a surprise to
>>>>>>> anyone here), so you have to use some sense before (or instead of)
just
>>>>>>> moving everything to the cloud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you check that the cloud provider is geographically diverse?
>>>>>
>>>>> The cloud providers all list where their data centers are located. You
>>>>> can then elect to have your application or parts of it run in multiple
>>>>> locations, so even if one goes down the others will still be up.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to architect your application properly, and even then there are
>>>>> things that can take down a whole cloud provider. It's happened to both
>>>>> AWS and Azure.
>>>>>
>>>> Do they notify you if/when they move your cloud's contents somewhere else
>>>> (like China or Iran)?
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>>
>>> If you are using Microsoft's AZURE cloud servers you get to choose where
>>> the server and your days are located.. They will inform you if they move
it.
>>>
>> Is there a "here is" command which verifies locations?
>>
>> /BAH
>>
> HOW would you do that?

I have no idea.  That's one of reasons I asked the question.

> How would you verify that as IP addresses can be
> moved any where.  BUT unlike some other providers Microsoft do take this
> seriously.
>
> https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/regions/
>
> They also have the necessary security accreditations so that if you are
> a government purchaser in the UK or US its very difficult to argue the
> security case with purchasing. The platform has been certified secure
> elsewhere.
>
> Given the way Ransom Ware has attacked US hospitals with on-site data
> perhaps it would be safer in the cloud, especially if the backups can't
> be seen from the on-premises network.

There are lots of problems I can think of.  How do you keep the
Chinese from buying a company which provides clouding services.

/BAH

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