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Subject	Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP
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Date	2016-10-03 14:56 +1100

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On 01/10/2016 01:44, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:51:00 -0700 (PDT), "John Miles, KE5FX"
> <jmiles@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 5:00:09 PM UTC-7, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/qualcomm-in-talks-to-acquire-nxp-semiconductors-1475170033
>>
>> Bummer.  Qualcomm is nothing but an overstaffed law firm that occasionally sells semiconductors when they have nothing better to do.
>>
>> This is what happens if you post an online copy of a 15-year old, publicly available data sheet for a widely used part: http://www.ke5fx.com/usrc/q3236.pdf
>>
>> Oops, it looks like they missed one: http://f1chf.free.fr/boite%20blanche/QUALCOMM/q3236.pdf
>>
>> Bunch of asshats.
>>
>> -- john, KE5FX
>
> Why would anyone want to keep people from seeing their data sheets?
> But lots of people do.

As pointed out above, they are a bunch of asshats. Same with all the 
semiconductor companies giving out pointless SPICE models that are 
pretty much an ideal component, although they have accurate in-house 
models because they need them in order to design the chip in the first 
place, and all of their competitors have already reverse engineered a 
complete netlist of the part, if it was any good.

Perhaps they know that they almost certainly are infringing somebody's 
patent (of course they are - virtually every textbook circuit has been 
patented in the last 20 years, at least once and usually several times). 
Maybe they think that keeping everything confidential will reduce the 
likelihood of patent trolls latching onto that part as a potential thing 
to sue about. Also, they probably don't want hobbyists asking questions 
about how to use their parts, pointing out the embarrasing mistakes in 
the datasheet, and generally doing things that were not written in their 
business plan.

> That chip looks klunky by modern standards anyhow.
>
> Several people make things like this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jskjlc4
>
> which is astonishing, especially for $5 or so.
Hmm they still haven't integrated the loop filter. See US6891412 for one 
way to do that, but I guess that doesn't expire until 2025. There are 
some other ways to do it also.

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Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP blocher@columbus.rr.com - 2016-09-29 16:59 -0700
  Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:51 -0700
    Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 05:50 -0700
      Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 05:55 -0700
        Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 07:45 -0700
          Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-01 23:19 -0400
      Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 00:15 +1000
        Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP jack4747@gmail.com - 2016-09-30 07:20 -0700
          Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2016-09-30 08:31 -0700
            Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 08:46 -0700
              Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 12:37 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 14:23 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Neon John <no@never.com> - 2016-10-01 10:47 -0400
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 11:52 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-01 15:06 -0400
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 12:28 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-01 23:21 -0400
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-02 14:21 -0700
        Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-09-30 15:09 +0000
      Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-01 13:42 -0400
        Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 11:16 -0700
          Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-01 14:29 -0400
            Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 14:15 -0700
              Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-01 14:52 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 15:12 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-01 16:09 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 16:11 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-02 09:00 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-02 09:11 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-02 11:13 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 15:23 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 15:36 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 15:48 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-01 16:08 -0700
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-01 20:01 -0400
                Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-02 10:10 -0400
      Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-01 23:17 -0400
    Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 08:44 -0700
      Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 17:38 -0700
        Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 17:48 -0700
        Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 18:45 -0700
          Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2016-09-30 22:31 -0400
          Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 20:15 -0700
          Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-10-03 15:12 +0000
      Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 14:56 +1100

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