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Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps?

Subject Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps?
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
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From Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date 2017-03-21 03:15 -0400
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On 03/20/2017 03:24 PM, George Herold wrote:
> On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
>> olds...@tubes.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The Spring Reverbs inside guitar amps have always fascinated me,
>>> and I took them one step further by connecting one to my stereo
>>> years ago, and the sound was really cool!
>>>
>>> So, yea, I know the basic operation. According to one web
>>> article, there is a transducer at one end of a spring and a
>>> pickup on the other end. This caused the spring to vibrate and
>>> create the reverb effect. One group from the 1960s and 70s that
>>> really used them was the Ventures. (I have to mention that I love
>>> that groups music). Often when they play, you can actually hear
>>> them springs.
>>>
>>> I've taken them inside guitar amps and bnaged them, and they
>>> really can make a clatter.
>>>
>>> But what I am not finding is exactly what or how does this
>>> transducer work. Is it similar to a speaker coil? Or what goes on
>>> inside there?
>>>
>>> And the pickup, is that similar to a microphone, or what?
>>>
>>> There seems to be nothing that actually details the workings
>>> inside of them on the web. So, I thought I'd ask on here.
>>>
>>
>> ** The long springs transmit torsional waves, twisting back and
>> forward so must be driven the same way. Tiny tube magnets are made
>> to twist by the drive coil assembly while at the far end a near
>> identical transducer converts the twisting back to an electrical
>> signal.
>>
>> The drive assembly is a kind of motor that makes the magnet rotate
>> on its axis about +/- 30degrees. A torsional wave travels fairly
>> slowly down a spring, making for long reverb times.
>>
>> A major benefit of this method is that external vibrations do not
>> induce torsional waves in the springs but only lateral ones and so
>> are largely rejected by the pick up assembly.
>>
>> AFAIK the idea was patented by Hammond in the late 50s - then made
>> famous by Fender in the 60s guitar amps.
>>
>> BYI  I agree, it is not easy to find the above info on the net
>> since the Accutronics site disappeared.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....  Phil
>
> Cool!  This is mostly unrelated, but with the right choice of mass
> and moment of inertia you can make a Wilberforce Pendulum, where the
> torsional mode is almost the same frequency as the vibrational mode,
> and you can get them to couple.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42lLTlnfZc We made these with
> slinkys and 1 foot rulers (with pennies taped on the ends).
>
> George H.
>

Fun, thanks.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? oldschool@tubes.com - 2017-03-18 19:12 -0500
  Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 20:47 -0400
    Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 18:11 -0700
  Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 18:08 -0700
    Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-03-19 05:08 +0000
      Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 22:38 -0700
        Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 02:46 -0700
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 04:25 -0700
            Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 06:01 -0700
            Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 07:46 -0700
      Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "Dave M" <dgminala@mediacombb.net> - 2017-03-19 22:49 -0500
        Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 22:31 -0700
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 19:01 -0400
            Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 16:24 -0700
              Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-23 16:37 -0700
                Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 17:46 -0700
                Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-23 18:05 -0700
                Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:18 -0400
              Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:16 -0400
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-26 19:36 +0000
        Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? oldschool@tubes.com - 2017-03-20 14:04 -0500
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-03-21 17:22 +0000
        Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-03-20 19:27 +0000
    Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-20 12:24 -0700
      Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-21 09:14 +1100
        Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-20 17:04 -0700
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-20 20:06 -0700
            Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-21 00:18 -0700
            Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-21 05:55 -0700
              Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-21 06:46 -0700
      Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-21 03:15 -0400
  Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-19 22:25 -0400
    Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 19:52 -0700
      Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-19 23:14 -0400
        Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-19 23:14 -0400
        Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 20:32 -0700
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-20 00:01 -0400
            Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 22:32 -0700
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 03:52 -0700
          Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-20 15:18 -0400
            Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-20 21:28 +0200
              Re: How do those Spring Reverbs work in guitar amps? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-20 16:26 -0400

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