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Re: Debian should not link to n*zis nor ship their software (Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework?

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Quoting schorpp (2026-05-15 11:02:17)
> Am 15.05.26 um 09:52 schrieb Gerardo Ballabio:
> > Matthias Geiger wrote:
> >> Well, the DFSG exits, we just don't have it mandating actions for packages (which IMO should be discussed).
> >>
> >> I'd like to point out §5 here [1].
> > 
> > DFSG §5 concerns the *license* of the program. "No Discrimination"
> > here means that the license must not restrict any person or group from
> > using, modifying and redistributing the program. It doesn't concern
> > discriminatory views held by the *authors* of the program.
> > 
> > About "mandating actions for packages", I understand that DFSG
> > violation bugs are RC. You aren't "forced" to do anything (see also
> > Constitution 2.1.1) but if you don't, your package won't be part of a
> > Debian stable release.
> > But this is not a case of DFSG violation.
> > 
> > Gerardo
> > 
> 
> I second that.
> 
> It's been always the same for decades some guys show up with such 
> requests to restrict free software
> 
> because they're unable to read American law English correctly and/or no 
> law basics teached in their edu systems.

This was mean. Your last paragraph does not add anything useful to this
discussion. You are just ranting.

> If Geiger wants to restrict GPL or DFSG he is free to create his 
> own unfree software under his own restricted license.

Yes, "no discrimination" means that I am allowed to use my GPL software on a
cruise missile guidance system if I want and copyright law will not stop me
from doing so.

But "no discrimination" does not mean that I *have* to ship cruise missile
guidance software in the operating system. Or white supremacist bullshit for
that matter.

So I think we can talk about policies we'd like to have in Debian about what we
want to ship and what not. We had similar discussions in the past when it was
about the fortunes package, we have these discussions when it comes to adult
content etc.

I'd welcome it if we could have more clear guidance about the content we want
to ship in our OS. If it were up to me, I'd immediately throw bs1770gain out of
the archive. But I also think that what we ship and do not ship should not be
up to arbitrary maintainer opinion. I'd be nice to have a guiding document.

Do other distros have something like that already?

Thanks!

cheers, josch

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Re: Debian should not link to n*zis nor ship their software (Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 10:30 +0200
  Re: Debian should not link to n*zis nor ship their software (Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? schorpp <thomas.schorpp@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 12:00 +0200
    Re: Debian should not link to n*zis nor ship their software (Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2026-05-15 12:20 +0200
      Re: Debian should not link to n*zis nor ship their software (Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2026-05-15 14:50 +0200
  Re: Debian should not link to n*zis nor ship their software (Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2026-05-15 12:00 +0200

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