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Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)?

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In article <huigebhvbcdmrd5e52io2g7359vtapm6qm@4ax.com>, 
bender@the.future says...


> 
> Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> wrote:
> 
> > In article <0hgfebdle3m95v0meo40f3pv7jdur5obce@4ax.com>, 
> > bender@the.future says...
> > 
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)?
> > > From: Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future>
> > > Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks, sci.physics
> > > 
> > > "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave.,
> > > Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907
> > > Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 03:03:55 -0400, Bite My Shiny Metal Ass  
> > > > <bender@the.future> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave.,
> > > > > Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907
> > > > > Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> i have some questions that i'm having trouble finding satisfyingly  
> > > > >> correct
> > > > >> answers to since if you google something these days, you'll find 800  
> > > > >> pages
> > > > >> written by internet "experts" that are plenty sure that the 10,000 pages
> > > > >> saying otherwise are a nazi-liberal co-plot while they pretend to have
> > > > >> some sort of expertise.  i think i've seen some of these goofs on the
> > > > >> usernets, come to think of it.  ;)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> in short; googling stuff is like asking fakey for his "expert" opinion,
> > > > >> anymore.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> would running tubes at a voltage much lower than standard operating
> > > > >> temperature have any permanent negative effects?
> > > > >
> > > > > No.  The tubes prolly won't work if the plate / whatever
> > > > > voltage is too low, but tubes are nearly indestructible.
> > > > > Unless you drop them.
> > > > >
> > > > >> what could potentially explain brand new tubes sounding great for a few
> > > > >> hours and then audible distortion is heard after 24 hours?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't remember very much about tubes, except why nobody
> > > > > wants to use them anymore.
> > > > 
> > > > why was that?  convenience?  cheapness?  weren't audio engineers?
> > > 
> > > Tubes are big, and they require high-voltage plate power
> > > supplies, which are heavy, bulky & expensive.  And filament
> > > supplies, grid bias supplies, screen supplies etc, ditto.
> > > They produce a lot of heat, so they are really inefficient.
> > > Not very rugged, which is why cars didn't usually have
> > > radios until transistors were invented.  Since they are hot,
> > > there are noise issues in some apps (probably not in audio).
> > > 
> > > There are a few special-purpose apps for tubes -- eg high
> > > power (as in broadcast), and/or high frequency Traveling
> > > Wave Tube microwave/mm wave amplifiers.  Also magnetrons,
> > > which are both oscillator/high power microwave source
> > > (microwave oven) and klystron tubes.  Special purpose tubes
> > > are making a bit of a comeback.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > The Russians made some pretty cool Nixies.
> 
> Some pretty cool what??

Nixie tubes:

http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/nixies.html

-- 
Mustaffa Sheboygan

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do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-14 22:17 -0400
  Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:28 -0700
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-14 22:28 -0400
      Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:35 -0700
        Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-14 23:16 -0400
  Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-14 19:46 -0700
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:53 -0700
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 01:36 -0400
      Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? binky feel good <waldbyfjulian@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-14 23:46 -0700
        Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 03:23 -0400
  Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? binky feel good <julianfwaldby@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 20:58 -0700
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 00:48 -0400
      Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? binky feel good <waldbyfjulian@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-14 22:04 -0700
        Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 01:12 -0400
  Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-14 22:01 -0700
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 01:04 -0400
  Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-03-15 15:03 +0800
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 03:37 -0400
      Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-03-15 16:31 +0800
        Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 05:04 -0400
          Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-03-16 02:25 +0800
            Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 17:49 -0400
              Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-03-16 14:15 +0000
                Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-16 08:41 -0700
                Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-16 11:45 -0400
        Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-15 03:35 -0700
          Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-03-16 01:52 +0800
            Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-15 11:25 -0700
              Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-03-16 02:33 +0800
      Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-03-15 10:59 +0100
        Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-03-15 06:17 -0400
          Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-03-16 14:20 +0000
      Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe aka g8dgc) - 2016-03-16 14:12 +0000
        Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-16 08:40 -0700
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe aka g8dgc) - 2016-03-16 14:08 +0000
      Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-16 08:31 -0700
  Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-03-16 14:03 +0000
    Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 11:14 -0400

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