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Re: Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 at 23:53:58 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>Is it forbidden for packages to exist in unstable and/or experimental
>only in Debian?

It is allowed. firefox (the non -esr version) and wine-development are 
examples of packages that exist only in unstable (with a RC bug to stop 
them from migrating to testing), while libsdl3-mixer and openjk are 
examples of packages that exist only in experimental.

Packages that exist in unstable will frequently be picked up by other 
distributions and included in their ostensibly stable releases, often 
automatically and often ignoring RC bugs (the most obvious example is 
Ubuntu universe, which automatically includes every package from Debian 
unstable at the time of Ubuntu's freeze unless specifically configured 
not to), so I would recommend experimental for this purpose.

>While liboqs is not intended for normal production use because of
>certain properties, it is useful for its designated purposes of
>experiments and testing.  I think we somehow conflate these two,
>thinking that everything in a Debian stable release MUST be intended for
>secure production use.

Debian stable is exactly for production use, and software that is only 
suitable for experiments and testing seems out-of-scope for stable, at 
least to me. I think we could benefit from having a better place for 
software (especially leaf packages) that is compatible with stable, and 
intended to be used alongside stable, but is not, itself, stable; or 
perhaps that's already fasttrack.debian.net.

If a liboqs maintainer wants to make a trixie-compatible version of 
liboqs available, experimental + trixie-fasttrack would be one possible 
setup. That's what I'm intending to do for openjk, a game engine that 
has never had an upstream release and quite possibly never will.

     smcv

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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Hector Oron Martinez <zumbi@debian.org> - 2025-07-22 09:50 +0200
  Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2025-07-23 06:50 +0200
    Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Hector Oron <zumbi@debian.org> - 2025-07-23 13:10 +0200
      Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2025-07-23 18:40 +0200
  Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-07-24 00:00 +0200
    Re: Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe  cryptographic algorithms Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2025-07-24 10:40 +0200
      Re: Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe  cryptographic algorithms Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2025-07-24 11:20 +0200
      Re: Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe  cryptographic algorithms Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-07-24 11:40 +0200
    Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2025-07-24 19:20 +0200
      Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-07-25 10:20 +0200
        Re: Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe  cryptographic algorithms Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2025-07-25 19:20 +0200
          Re: Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe  cryptographic algorithms Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-07-26 10:00 +0200
  Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-07-24 01:20 +0200
  Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-07-24 02:50 +0200
  Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-07-24 03:40 +0200

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