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Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL)

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Hi,

> > Apparently the problem isn't that no help is needed but that nobody has time
> > to train the new help, citing possible burn-out trying to get answers from the
> > existing members and leaving in disappointment, if not disgust. (My
> > interpretation …)
> >
> > While that's a valid concern, it's a problem every manager of an overworked
> > team in the world has faced, volunteer or not.
> >
> > There are (of course) multiple ways to approach this issue. The point (and I
> > assume the reason Andreas basically ignored the team's rejection of new
> > members) is that "do nothing until somebody has time to train new people" is
> > among the worst possible approaches: experience tells us that the most likely
> > outcome is "another team members quits".
>
> You can't just throw people at a team of volunteers who are busy doing
> other things and say "train them".  Nobody wins, there, and the
> candidates won't come back at a time when those volunteers *do* have the
> time to do the training.

I don't think you are quoting the DPL above correctly. I think he had
good judgement, and raising awareness of FTP Masters team being spread
thin and needing more help in a Bits from DPL announcement is the
correct thing to do.

New people standing up and stating they want to help is a good thing,
even with the risk that some of those people would go away while
waiting.

I did also read the queue processing time reports by Matthias and
Timo. On a quick look I wasn't able to find stats on which FTP Master
team member has done how many reviews, but in my experience it seems
to rely on the heroic efforts of a very few people (thanks Thorsten
for all your work!), and having more people in the team would be of
great benefit for Debian, and rightly something the DPL should help
with.

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Re: Bits from DPL Nilesh Patra <nilesh@iki.fi> - 2025-03-05 19:30 +0100
  Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 20:00 +0100
    Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-06 09:10 +0100
      Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-06 11:00 +0100
        Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-06 14:10 +0100
          Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-09 05:40 +0100
            Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-09 12:20 +0100
              Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-09 12:40 +0100
                Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-09 12:50 +0100
              Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-09 12:40 +0100
                Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 12:50 +0100
                Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2025-03-09 15:00 +0100
                Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-19 00:30 +0100
          Re: NEW review & revision process (or lack thereof) (Re: Growing  new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL)) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-10 11:10 +0100
          Re: NEW review & revision process (or lack thereof) (Re: Growing  new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL)) Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2025-03-10 11:50 +0100
          Re: NEW review & revision process (or lack thereof) (Re: Growing  new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL)) "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 13:00 +0100
        Re: Growing new FTP-masters (Re: Bits from DPL) Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-03-06 20:20 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-06 02:10 +0100
    Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-06 05:30 +0100
      Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-06 10:50 +0100
        Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Julien Plissonneau Duquène <sre4ever@free.fr> - 2025-03-06 11:00 +0100
        Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-07 02:00 +0100
          Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-07 18:30 +0100
            Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 02:10 +0100
              Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-08 09:50 +0100
              Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-09 06:30 +0100
                Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2025-03-10 11:40 +0100
          Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Maytham Alsudany <maytham@debian.org> - 2025-03-09 11:10 +0100
            Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-11 10:00 +0100
              Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-11 16:40 +0100
                Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-12 02:00 +0100
                Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Maytham Alsudany <maytham@debian.org> - 2025-03-12 04:10 +0100
                Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-12 09:50 +0100
                Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-13 10:10 +0100
      Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-06 13:30 +0100
      Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-03-06 20:10 +0100
        Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2025-03-07 09:00 +0100
          Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2025-03-07 11:20 +0100
            Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-03-07 16:00 +0100
            Re: Revisiting the idea of pre-NEW peer review? (Re: Bits from DPL) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-03-09 06:20 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 09:10 +0100
      STFU please (Re: Bits from DPL) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-03-06 09:40 +0100
        Re: STFU please (Re: Bits from DPL) Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 10:00 +0100
          Re: STFU please (Re: Bits from DPL) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-06 10:10 +0100
          Re: STFU please (Re: Bits from DPL) Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 00:30 +0100
        Re: STFU please (Re: Bits from DPL) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-03-06 11:10 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-06 10:10 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 12:00 +0100

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