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Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?)

From Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.devel
Subject Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?)
Date 2025-05-11 23:40 +0200
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Hi

> So, it looks like among the largest packaging teams, only the go team,
> the gnome team, and the php team have significantly adopted DEP-14.
>
> Note that this is not a criticism of DEP-14, only an attempt at
> providing numbers about DEP-14 adoption.

I have published similar stats before and I ran a large "poll" on this
mailing list with subject "DEP-14: Default branch name 'debian/latest'
objections?" to find out what the objections are. My take is that a
vocal minority with very strong opinions prevent Debian from landing
on a default Debian branch name.

I believe that if Julien finalizes
https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/16 and Raphael
approves if (after gauging that the result is reasonable and has
enough consensus), and then Raphael follows up with a MR that changes
DEP-14 from candidate to accepted, and 20+ DDs +1 it, we could merge
it and have a decision. Once we have a decision, Guido is more likely
to support making that decision the default in git-buildpackage, and
the people who previously migrated from master to debian/master or
debian/sid (while the historic DEP-14 suggested them) are more likely
to change to the final branch name. With this everything would most
likely converge.

If we don't finalize DEP-14, the git-buildpackage default 'master'
will continue to be the most likely default, as software defaults
triumph policy/standard recommendations.

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ITN procedure? Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2025-05-07 09:40 +0200
  Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-05-07 17:20 +0200
    Re: ITN procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-07 17:50 +0200
      Re: ITN procedure? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-07 19:00 +0200
        Re: ITN procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-07 20:00 +0200
          Re: ITN procedure? Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-05-07 23:30 +0200
        Re: ITN procedure? Joost van Baal-Ilić <joostvb-debian@mdcc.cx> - 2025-05-08 06:10 +0200
          Re: ITN procedure? Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 08:20 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-08 08:50 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2025-05-08 09:30 +0200
          Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 09:10 +0200
            Categorially refusing to exercise DPL powers (was: ITN procedure?) "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 10:00 +0200
              Re: Categorially refusing to exercise DPL powers (was: ITN  procedure?) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-08 10:20 +0200
                Re: Categorially refusing to exercise DPL powers (was: ITN  procedure?) "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 10:50 +0200
                Re: Categorially refusing to exercise DPL powers (was: ITN procedure?) Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 21:40 +0200
      Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: ITN procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-07 22:30 +0200
          Re: ITN procedure? Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 00:40 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 02:00 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 04:40 +0200
              Re: ITN procedure? Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2025-05-11 12:10 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-08 10:10 +0200
              Re: ITN procedure? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-08 10:50 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 11:20 +0200
              Re: ITN procedure? Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 10:50 +0200
          Re: ITN procedure? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-08 10:10 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-08 10:30 +0200
              Re: ITN procedure? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-08 10:40 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 10:50 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Bálint Réczey <balint@balintreczey.hu> - 2025-05-08 17:00 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 20:40 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-08 20:50 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 21:00 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-08 22:00 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-09 06:20 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-09 09:50 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-09 10:30 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-09 11:30 +0200
                RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-09 10:30 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-09 12:50 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-09 13:00 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Bálint Réczey <balint@balintreczey.hu> - 2025-05-10 12:30 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-11 22:40 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-05-11 23:40 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 00:00 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 00:30 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 01:00 +0200
                git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-12 09:50 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2025-05-12 10:10 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-12 10:40 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2025-05-12 11:00 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-05-12 13:20 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Bálint Réczey <balint@balintreczey.hu> - 2025-05-12 13:30 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-05-12 14:00 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-05-14 10:50 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2025-05-14 11:20 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-05-14 11:30 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference Ananthu C V <weepingclown@disroot.org> - 2025-05-14 12:00 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2025-05-14 12:10 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Peter B <peter@pblackman.plus.com> - 2025-05-14 12:10 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-05-14 13:50 +0200
                debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific git  tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-05-14 14:30 +0200
                Re: debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific git  tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference) Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-05-14 21:00 +0200
                Re: debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific git  tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference) Julien Plissonneau Duquène <sre4ever@free.fr> - 2025-05-18 22:50 +0200
                Re: debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific  git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-05-21 14:50 +0200
                Re: debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific git  tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference) Julien Plissonneau Duquène <sre4ever@free.fr> - 2025-05-26 13:20 +0200
                Re: debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific  git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-05-26 13:50 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2025-05-14 11:50 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2025-05-14 12:30 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2025-05-14 11:00 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2025-05-17 01:10 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 23:40 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-13 17:50 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-12 11:00 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-05-12 10:30 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 10:40 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Santiago Vila <sanvila@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 12:00 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 12:40 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2025-05-13 16:40 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-13 17:20 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) thomas@goirand.fr - 2025-05-13 18:20 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 15:10 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-05-12 17:00 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 20:20 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 23:30 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference Julien Plissonneau Duquène <sre4ever@free.fr> - 2025-05-16 16:10 +0200
                Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes  regarding NMU in developers reference gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2025-05-18 16:20 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?) Bálint Réczey <balint@balintreczey.hu> - 2025-05-11 23:50 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 10:10 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2025-05-14 09:50 +0200
                Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN  procedure?) Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-05-14 10:30 +0200
              Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-08 11:30 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-08 14:30 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? thomas@goirand.fr - 2025-05-08 15:40 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-08 18:00 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2025-05-08 18:50 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-08 21:10 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-05-08 21:20 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2025-05-09 19:20 +0200
                Re: Intend To Orphan (ITO) procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-12 15:50 +0200
          Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-08 10:10 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-08 11:00 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2025-05-10 12:30 +0200
              Re: ITN procedure? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-05-12 17:00 +0200
              Re: ITN procedure - more words, fewer acronyms please? Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2025-05-12 19:20 +0200
                Re: ITN procedure - more words, fewer acronyms please? Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2025-05-13 15:50 +0200
          Re: ITN procedure? thomas@goirand.fr - 2025-05-08 13:40 +0200
            Re: ITN procedure? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-05-08 13:50 +0200
              Re: ITN procedure? thomas@goirand.fr - 2025-05-08 14:00 +0200
      Re: ITN procedure? gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2025-05-07 22:50 +0200

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