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Re: Is a self-contained upgrade considered large/disruptive? (was Re: Bug#1102599: rust-tonic: please upgrade to 0.13 with upcoming upgrade of rust-prost 0.13)

From Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.bugs.dist
Subject Re: Is a self-contained upgrade considered large/disruptive? (was Re: Bug#1102599: rust-tonic: please upgrade to 0.13 with upcoming upgrade of rust-prost 0.13)
Date 2025-04-12 12:50 +0200
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Hi Blair,

On 11-04-2025 17:14, Blair Noctis wrote:
> So:
> If all packages affected are handled ("self-contained"),


This is indeed good.

> the blast radius is rather small,


In transition context, we generally consider "small" when numbers are in 
the low single digit. Otherwise we'd want to be involved/informed. That 
always true, but more so during the transition freeze of course. By the 
way, our definition of transition is broader than the classical 
C-library transition, and covers changes to packages that require 
changes to or rebuilds of other packages.

> and I have the go from all affected maintainers,


That's obviously also good.

> is it still considered large/disruptive?


It's at least against the spirit of the freeze, see our definition of 
transition above.

> Ramacher said it depends on the size of debdiffs,
> so here they are:
> https://people.debian.org/~ncts/rust-prost-0.13-affected-debdiffs/
> (Cargo.lock stripped as it's basically dead weight)


If you want to request an exception, please file a bug and attach 
debdiffs to the report. That way they are stored in the BTS. Having said 
that, the size of those debdiffs don't look good. That's not really 
reviewable. So you better have a good explanation of why the new version 
is so much better than the current version in trixie. Otherwise consider 
this request as just too late.

Paul

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Is a self-contained upgrade considered large/disruptive? (was Re:  Bug#1102599: rust-tonic: please upgrade to 0.13 with upcoming upgrade of  rust-prost 0.13) Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-04-11 17:20 +0200
  Re: Is a self-contained upgrade considered large/disruptive? (was Re:  Bug#1102599: rust-tonic: please upgrade to 0.13 with upcoming upgrade of  rust-prost 0.13) Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org> - 2025-04-12 12:50 +0200
    Re: Is a self-contained upgrade considered large/disruptive? (was Re:  Bug#1102599: rust-tonic: please upgrade to 0.13 with upcoming upgrade of  rust-prost 0.13) Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-04-12 17:40 +0200

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