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Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id)

From Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id)
Date 2025-01-09 05:50 +0100
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On Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 09:04:09PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>    > TB is about 10% larger. One of the worst crimes in computer history
>    > was ever talking about storage in powers of 2, I really wish it would
>    > just go away. It has properties that nobody wants and has been the
>    > source of endless confusion, for really no benefits whatsoever.
>
>This makes no sense. The number has the same value no matter which base is
>chosen. These are integers, there is no fractional part, so there is no
>"uncertainty" about its value. People who need to work with binary integers
>usually choose to calculate with them in base 8 or base 16 then convert them
>back to base 2. Which does not require calculation just copying.

For example...let's take the 18000000000000B drive discussed earlier. 
That's 18TB or 16TiB. Annoying, but ok. Now that's also 18000MB but 
16763MiB. And it's 18000000MB or 17166137MiB. So if you have a display 
in MB and you want to know the value in TB you move the decimal 6 
places. But if you move the decimal 6 places to get from MiB to TiB you 
get...the wrong answer. Does this actually happen? Yes. All the freaking 
time. (A classic mashup is 1024k blocks expressed with power of 10 M and 
G.) Now this next part is important: no normal human working with 
files and disk space and trying to communicate with other normal humans 
calculates the values in base 8 or base 16. Communication of numbers 
between ordinary people generally happens in base 10. SI prefixes are 
base 10. And when you munge up some stupid base 2 units with what people 
want and expect to be base 10, mistakes and confusion happen. And the 
benefit of all that confusion and increased cognative load is: 
absolutely nothing.

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