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Re: new computer arriving soon

From gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: new computer arriving soon
Date 2025-01-01 22:00 +0100
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On 1/1/25 12:15, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2025 at 09:29:01AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
>> Please don't feed the trolls.
>
> It's a tough line to walk. On the one hand, yeah, we don't want to 
> feed the trolls. But if the trolls keep going anyway with no sign they 
> will stop, we run the risk of implicitly supporting unchallenged 
> narratives. A person walking in fresh is told repeatedly that debian 
> capriciously suppresses people just trying to help, and is hostile to 
> questions, newcomers, whatever. Should they just believe that? If they 
> see post after post of (the same) people posting problems that nobody 
> can or will solve, do they feel encouraged to post their own 
> questions? The people who have been around just delete the noise on 
> autopilot--which is certainly a useful coping mechanism--but where 
> does that leave new arrivals and what does that do to the basic 
> character of the list? The internet has yet to really come up with a 
> good answer to any of this.

What gets lost in the translation is the fact that debian serves as a 
filter that 95% of the other distro's use as src for their versions. In 
the process, fixing the x86'isms so it runs on other architectures. 
Can't be helped, they share a chair at the head of the linux table with 
red hat.  Trying to satisfy all is a hopeless cause, but some of the 
more important stuff inevitably falls thru the cracks too. Like the 
present situation where the installer can't find a network on arm stuff. 
If it could, we could build on that, using debian-arm, but no network is 
a mountain many can't climb w/o an error msg we can read.  The interface 
is not even created by the installer.  I had to setup a dhcpd server for 
one of my printers, but even with a working dhcpd on my local 
192.168.xx,yy net, your current installer cannot find it. Apparently it 
does work for many others, people who seem to be satisfied if it boots. 
To actually boot and do something useful is blasphemous. Why not for me? 
So I use something that just works. Either way, I catch sttatic but that 
non working debian-arm code was fixed by others. IMO those patches s/b 
incorporated in debian-arm.   It boils down to debian having the idea 
they can do no wrong, not accepting such help is the elephant in this room.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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  Re: new computer arriving soon "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-21 20:30 +0100
    Re: new computer arriving soon Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-12-21 21:20 +0100
      Re: new computer arriving soon "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-12-22 02:20 +0100
    Re: new computer arriving soon "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-12-22 02:20 +0100
      UEFI, Export from Virtualbox [WAS Re: new computer arriving soon] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-22 09:50 +0100
      Re: new computer arriving soon "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-12-26 20:40 +0100
        Re: new computer arriving soon David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-26 23:40 +0100
          Re: new computer arriving soon David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-12-27 17:30 +0100
            Re: new computer arriving soon Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 05:10 +0100
              Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-31 05:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-31 23:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2025-01-01 00:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-01 01:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-01 15:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Frank Guthausen <fg.debian@shimps.de> - 2025-01-01 15:30 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-01 15:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 16:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-01 17:20 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 18:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-01 18:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 03:10 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-02 03:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2025-01-01 17:30 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 18:20 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-01 22:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2025-01-01 19:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-01 22:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2025-01-02 14:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-03 04:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-03 17:30 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2025-01-03 13:10 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 03:30 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-02 03:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 04:30 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-02 04:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 16:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon pocket@homemail.com - 2025-01-02 17:10 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 05:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-04 11:20 +0100
                Gene and networkmanager (was: Re: new computer arriving soon) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 04:50 +0100
                Re: Gene and networkmanager (was: Re: new computer arriving soon) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-05 17:20 +0100
                /dev/serial/by-id (was: Re: new computer arriving soon) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 05:00 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id (was: Re: new computer arriving soon) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-05 17:30 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 03:30 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-06 08:20 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 04:20 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-07 10:00 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-07 14:50 +0100
                Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-01-07 16:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-01-07 16:50 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes eben@gmx.us - 2025-01-07 17:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-01-07 17:40 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes eben@gmx.us - 2025-01-07 18:00 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-01-07 20:40 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-01-08 06:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-07 17:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-07 17:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-01-07 18:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 04:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-09 05:50 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-01-09 16:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-01-09 18:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-01-09 21:50 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-10 00:50 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 01:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 02:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-01-10 11:00 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-10 15:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-01-10 07:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2025-01-10 15:50 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes eben@gmx.us - 2025-01-10 21:40 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-11 01:50 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 01:40 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Heriberto Avelino <heriberto.avelino@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 01:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2025-01-07 20:20 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-01-07 21:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-07 23:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2025-01-10 03:00 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-10 05:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-01-10 15:40 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2025-01-07 23:10 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-08 00:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2025-01-07 17:40 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-01-07 20:30 +0100
                Re: Mass storage sizes (was: /dev/serial/by-id) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 08:40 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 04:00 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 04:10 +0100
                Re: /dev/serial/by-id Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-01-07 11:20 +0100
                Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new computer arriving  soon] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2025-01-02 17:00 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new computer  arrivingsoon] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-02 23:10 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new computer  arrivingsoon] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2025-01-02 23:20 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new computer  arrivingsoon] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-01-02 23:30 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new computer  arrivingsoon] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-03 00:10 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new computer arrivingsoon] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 04:00 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new  computerarrivingsoon] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-03 05:00 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new  computerarrivingsoon] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2025-01-03 14:00 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new computer  arrivingsoon] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 03:40 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new  computerarrivingsoon] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-03 05:10 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re: new  computerarrivingsoon] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 04:30 +0100
                Re: Specific mdadm instructions for Gene [WAS Re:  newcomputerarrivingsoon] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0100
                sgdisk missing under Armbian for Gene [WAS Specific mdadm  instructions for Gene] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2025-01-03 12:40 +0100
                Re: sgdisk missing under Armbian for Gene [WAS Specific mdadm  instructions for Gene] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-01-03 12:50 +0100
                Re: sgdisk missing under Armbian for Gene [WAS Specific  mdadminstructions for Gene] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-03 17:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 04:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2025-01-02 05:30 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2025-01-02 08:30 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-02 23:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon fxkl47BF@protonmail.com - 2025-01-02 23:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2025-01-03 00:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-03 00:20 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2025-01-03 00:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2025-01-03 17:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-03 17:20 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2025-01-10 05:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-01-03 00:10 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2025-01-03 00:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-03 00:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon  George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2025-01-03 00:40 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2025-01-03 00:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2025-01-03 17:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 16:30 +0100
              Re: new computer arriving soon Frank Guthausen <fg.debian@shimps.de> - 2024-12-31 20:20 +0100
              Re: new computer arriving soon Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 04:10 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-02 23:50 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 06:10 +0100
          Re: new computer arriving soon "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-12-27 20:20 +0100
  Re: new computer arriving soon George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-12-22 00:40 +0100
    Re: new computer arriving soon "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-12-22 02:30 +0100
      Re: new computer arriving soon George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-12-22 05:50 +0100
  Re: new computer arriving soon songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2024-12-22 17:20 +0100

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