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Re: new computer arriving soon

From Joe <joe@jretrading.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: new computer arriving soon
Date 2025-01-01 19:50 +0100
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 14:58:25 +0100
pocket@homemail.com wrote:


> 
> Gene you are exactly correct,  even this list is hostile.

You mistake an inability to be of help for hostility.
> 
> debian is hostile against anything that is not debian.

No. Debian isn't anything that isn't Debian, and it's unreasonable to
expect users of Debian to be familiar with any of the many Debian
derivatives. The derivatives differ from Debian in various ways, and it
is reasonable to expect users of those derivatives to be at least
partly familiar with the differences. It is not reasonable to expect
Debian users to be familiar with them.

> There is no call for that, there is no sense for being like that.
> For example a package built for a different distro will not be broken
> on debian, it all works basically the same.  Why does debian do that?

Because there is a good chance that something *is* different, such as
the location of configuration files or even the file structure. Such
things are extremely important when trying to get something to work. If
the Debian derivatives were identical to Debian in every way, there
would be no reason for them to exist.

> Why do the folks on this list like that. It just turns folks away.

Because bad advice is worse than no advice, it wastes time that could
be better spent elsewhere. Have you never searched the Net for a
solution to a problem, and wasted hours trying solutions that just
don't work?
> 
> In the great number of cases most look to Archlinux for setting up
> and running packages. Why because the wiki is no nonsense and just
> works in almost every case. debians wiki is woefully incomplete and
> contains old out dated information which in most cases it just flat
> out incorrect.  Try to get it corrected and you will/must be attacked.

Yes, the documentation is often out of date, and Arch documentation is
usually very good. When that is the case, we generally find a way to
make our own systems work, but few of us can say for sure that way will
work for everyone. If it doesn't work for everyone, we are only
contributing to the huge pile of incorrect or out of date documentation.

Few have both the time and the range of experience to be sure we ought
to be offering our own experiences for others to use. Writing
documentation which carries an official Debian endorsement is a bit
different from suggesting things which 'work for us' on a mailing list.

> 
> Instead of being hostile debian should work WITH folks instead of,
> "Oh you are not using stock debian, phooey on you we won't help".
> Want proof, look at linuxfromscratch, the first thing they do is ask
> what does Arch do.

In fact I'm sure you've noticed that help is often offered to users of
other systems, but tentatively and with warnings that it may not work.
Gene is a special case in that he uses non-standard hardware to do
things that the rest of us don't do, working in ways that we don't
work. We do our best, but that's often not good enough. Being a pioneer
is a lonely thing.
> 
> Let the attacks begin, I am waiting.......
> 
No, just an attempt to correct your impressions.

-- 
Joe

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    Re: new computer arriving soon Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-12-21 21:20 +0100
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                Re: new computer arriving soon George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2025-01-03 00:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-01-03 00:00 +0100
                Re: new computer arriving soon  George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2025-01-03 00:40 +0100
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