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Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 09:53:27PM +0100, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > > > > In theory, if we don't want to explicitly install the package in d-i,
> > > > > another possibility might be to bump it to Priority: standard and let
> > > > > tasksel install it.  I'm not sure what the tradeoffs might be that would
> > > > > drive the decision one way or another.
> > [..]
> > > > Regarding tasksel vs. Priority, the latter has a potential for a much
> > > > wider impact: lots of Debian system are installed without d-i and/or
> > > > tasksel, and most if not all would get the package via Priority. (Think
> > > > of all the tools building Debian images, chroots, containers, etc., on
> > > > top of debootstrap/mmdebstrap/etc.)
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure it's the case that most of those other systems install
> > > Priority: standard.  Debootstrap certainly doesn't by itself, and I
> > > don't think the debuerreotype tool for building OCI images does either.
> > > In any case, your point still stands.  I'll re-assign this to general
> > > for now, and we can discuss the options in a broader context.
> > 
> > We have a mechanism for installing iputils-ping into "most" systems, why
> > not use the same mechanism to install linux-sysctl-defaults?
> > 
> > Systems that want iputils-ping likely also want
> > linux-sysctl-defaults.
> 
> Both iputils-ping and systemd declare Recommends on
> linux-sysctl-defaults.  The expectation is very much that it's installed
> everywhere by default.  The only reason it isn't today is that those
> packages are installed by deboostrap, which doesn't install Recommends.
> 
> I believe that it's important for linux-sysctl-defaults to be part of
> the default installation except in unusual cases.  In addition to the
> "make ping work" sysctl, it sets a number of other important sysctls
> that should be set by default (e.g. net.core.default_qdisc,
> fs.protected_symlinks, net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter and others).  

Agreed.

[..]
> There are at least a couple of ways we can accomplish this:
[..] 
> * Raise its priority to 'important', in which case debootstrap will
>   install it
> 
> And there are probably more.

For d-devel, I'll state that I'm in favor of raising the priority of
linux-sysctl-defaults to important.

Chris

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Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 16:20 +0100
  Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 16:30 +0100
    Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 18:20 +0100
      Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 22:00 +0100
        Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 22:40 +0100
          Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 23:10 +0100
      Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Tianon Gravi <tianon@debian.org> - 2024-12-20 01:00 +0100
        Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 16:10 +0100
          Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 16:40 +0100
            Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 16:50 +0100
          Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 07:20 +0100
            Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 13:10 +0100
              Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 14:10 +0100
      Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2024-12-20 02:20 +0100

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