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Re: From SSD to NVME

From Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: From SSD to NVME
Date 2024-12-05 23:30 +0100
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On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 04:06:17PM -0500, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>To find out if the motherboard imposed any limitations, I checked the
>manual. I found these tables, which I can't see the implications of:
>
>M2D_32G M.2 connector
>+-------------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
>|\ Connector  | SATA3_0 | SATA3_1 | SATA3_2 | SATA3_3 | SATA3_4 | SATA3_5 |
>+ \----------\+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
>| Type of SSD |   SATA_Express    |    SATA_Express   |         -         |

Ah, SATA express (SATAe). That's a dead standard that never actually got 
implemented in a drive (as far as I know) but was included on 
motherboards for some time before it was clear that M.2 won and SATAe 
was a dead end. SATAe had the ability to use two SATA ports and an 
additonal connector to provide two PCIe lanes for a drive, so a single 
connector would have attached to one of the little ports as well as the 
two SATA ports beside it. Certain SATA channels on these motherboards 
were shared between the SATA ports and the M.2 SATA pins, and PCIe lanes 
were shared between some of the M.2 PCIe pins and the SATAe PCIe pins 
*and* some of the SATA contollers. The table is trying to explain which 
combinations won't work. E.g., if you use a SATA M.2 drive in M2D_32G 
you can't also attach a SATA drive to SATA3_3 or a SATAe drive to 
SATA3_2/3 (not that such a drive exists), and if use a PCIe x4 SSD in 
M2D_32G you can't use SATA3_0/1/2/3, and if you use the SATAe associated 
with SATA3_0/1 you drop the speed of M2D_32G to x2 instead of x4. 

You can ignore the dark lines because SATAe doesn't exist. If you only 
plug SATA disks into SATA3_4/5 you can do anything with the two M.2 
connectors. If you want more than two SATA disks you can put an NVMe 
drive into M2A_32G and nothing in M2D_32G and use any SATA port.
Or you can use SATA3_0/1 with two NVMe drives but that will drop M2D_32G 
NVMe to x2 speed. If you use SATA3_0 you can't put a SATA M.2 drive into 
M2A_32G and if you use SATA3_3 you can't put a SATA M.2 drive into 
M2D_32G. Simple, right? 

:-D 

Most desktop motherboards have some sort of limitations/sharing like this because 
there are only so many PCIe lanes from the CPU, but they vary in how 
well they communicate the information.

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From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-02 17:50 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-02 18:00 +0100
    Re: From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-02 18:10 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-02 18:50 +0100
    Re: *****SPAM***** Re: From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-02 20:30 +0100
    Re: From SSD to NVME Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-02 21:30 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME basti <mailinglist@unix-solution.de> - 2024-12-02 19:40 +0100
    Re: From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-02 20:20 +0100
      Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 00:20 +0100
        Re: From SSD to NVME eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-05 15:50 +0100
          Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 16:10 +0100
            Re: From SSD to NVME eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-05 17:00 +0100
              Re: From SSD to NVME Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-12-05 17:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-12-05 18:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-12-05 18:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-05 18:50 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-12-05 20:50 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 21:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-05 20:30 +0100
                MBR to GPT + UEFI (was: From SSD to NVME) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-05 20:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-05 21:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-05 21:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-12-05 22:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-05 23:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 23:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-05 23:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-06 19:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-06 20:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-12-06 01:50 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 21:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-05 22:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-05 22:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-12-05 22:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-05 22:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-12-05 23:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-12-05 22:20 +0100
              Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 19:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-05 22:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 23:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-06 00:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-11 09:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 14:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-12-11 14:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-12 20:20 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-02 19:50 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME Bruno Schneider <boschneider@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 19:50 +0100
    Re: From SSD to NVME Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2024-12-02 20:20 +0100
      Re: From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-02 20:30 +0100
        Re: From SSD to NVME Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-02 21:20 +0100
          Re: From SSD to NVME Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-12-02 21:50 +0100
            Re: From SSD to NVME Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-02 22:30 +0100
              Re: From SSD to NVME <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-03 06:40 +0100
        Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-02 21:40 +0100
    Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 16:50 +0100
      Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-05 18:30 +0100
        Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 19:20 +0100
          Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-05 20:20 +0100
            Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 21:00 +0100
              Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-12-05 22:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 23:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME - oops! Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-06 00:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME - oops! Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-06 04:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-06 00:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-06 04:20 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-02 20:50 +0100
    Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 03:00 +0100
      Re: From SSD to NVME "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-03 10:00 +0100
        Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 12:10 +0100
          Re: From SSD to NVME <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-03 12:40 +0100
          Re: From SSD to NVME Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-03 13:20 +0100
            Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 13:40 +0100
              Re: From SSD to NVME Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-12-03 14:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 14:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-12-03 14:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 15:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-12-03 16:00 +0100
            Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-03 15:50 +0100
              Re: From SSD to NVME Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-03 20:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-03 20:50 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-03 21:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 22:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-03 22:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 23:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-03 23:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 23:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-03 22:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 23:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-03 23:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 23:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-03 23:50 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 02:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-04 05:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-04 13:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-12-04 16:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-04 19:00 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 07:20 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-05 01:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-05 01:40 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-05 03:00 +0100
          Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-03 15:30 +0100
            Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 15:50 +0100
              Re: From SSD to NVME Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-12-03 16:10 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-03 16:30 +0100
                Re: From SSD to NVME Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 00:00 +0100
          Re: From SSD to NVME Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2024-12-03 22:20 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 04:10 +0100
  Re: From SSD to NVME David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-03 05:50 +0100

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