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Re: Multi-channel rand()

Subject Re: Multi-channel rand()
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From Bart <bc@freeuk.com>
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Organization virginmedia.com
Date 2018-12-26 19:38 +0000

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On 26/12/2018 17:45, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 12/26/2018 12:06 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

>> Also, given a given random number generator, there are better and worse
>> ways to extract a random subrange. For many generators, using something
>> like mod or anding the lower bits is very bad, as the lower bits are
>> less random than upper bits.
> 
> I scale the result into the range.  The rand() function in C returns
> a value 0..32767 on my machine.  I use a formula like this:
> 
>      const float MAX_RANGE = 9.0f;
> 
>      // Get a random value in the range 1..10
>      lfValue = 1 + (int)(MAX_RANGE * (float)rand() / (float)RAND_MAX);
> 
> It works well,

I doubt it (how many 10s do you get?).

To get 9.0 before you add 1, the expression has to yield 1.0, but that 
only happens when rand() returns exactly 32767, which is about 1 in 32K 
rather than 1 in 10 or so.

To fix it, getting 0.0 to 1.0 first seems sound, but I would divide by 
RAND_MAX+1 to get 0.0 to 0.99999 so that the odd 1.0 never occurs. Then 
multiply by 10.0 (not 9.0), to give 0.0 to 9.9999. Then convert to int 
to give 0 to 9, then add 1.


  but the algorithm it uses doesn't seem to be a good
> prng.  Everyone who's test-played the game to date comments on it.

Actually C's, rand() doesn't seem too bad.

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Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 19:54 -0500
  Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-24 19:38 -0800
  Re: Multi-channel rand() nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2018-12-25 04:05 +0000
    Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 23:57 -0500
      Re: Multi-channel rand() Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-25 09:22 +0000
        Professional coders??? (Was: Multi-channel rand()) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-12-25 10:09 +0000
        Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 07:59 -0500
          Re: Multi-channel rand() Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-25 21:59 +0000
            Re: Multi-channel rand() nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2018-12-26 02:43 +0000
      Re: Multi-channel rand() rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-25 10:15 -0700
        Re: Multi-channel rand() Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-25 10:14 -0800
  Re: Multi-channel rand() Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-12-25 13:35 +0300
    Re: Multi-channel rand() fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 02:56 -0800
    Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 08:02 -0500
  Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-25 11:52 +0000
    Re: Multi-channel rand() Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-12-25 14:58 +0300
    Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-25 06:59 -0500
      Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 08:05 -0500
    Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 08:04 -0500
  Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-26 15:48 +0000
    Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 07:58 -0800
      Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 12:06 -0500
        Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 12:45 -0500
          Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 13:20 -0500
            Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 10:30 -0800
              Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:35 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 14:52 -0500
              Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 16:31 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 22:28 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-30 20:42 -0800
            Re: Multi-channel rand() Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-26 15:32 -0800
          Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-26 19:38 +0000
            Re: Multi-channel rand() Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-26 15:35 -0800
        Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 12:59 -0500
          Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 16:05 -0500
        Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:08 -0500
          Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 15:50 -0500
      Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-26 17:42 +0000
        Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 12:48 -0500
        Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 12:58 -0500
          Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-26 19:03 +0000
            Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 14:45 -0500
              Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-26 20:46 +0000
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:25 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 17:13 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 22:23 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-26 23:39 +0000
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 17:36 -0500
            Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 16:27 -0500
    Re: Multi-channel rand() rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-26 19:19 -0700
      Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-26 22:17 -0500
      Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-26 19:32 -0800
      Re: Multi-channel rand() Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-26 19:34 -0800
        Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-27 11:29 +0000
          Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 05:27 -0800
            Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 09:41 -0500
              Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 09:42 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 07:01 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 10:28 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-27 10:48 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 11:08 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-27 13:49 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 17:18 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-29 13:59 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-30 14:01 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-30 22:07 +0000
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 17:20 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-27 17:47 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-30 20:45 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 08:22 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 11:40 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 09:21 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 12:45 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 10:57 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 14:35 -0500
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-28 09:25 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-28 09:55 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-28 12:36 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-27 20:34 -0600
              Re: Multi-channel rand() Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-27 10:37 -0500
            Re: Multi-channel rand() Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-27 14:46 +0000
              Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 07:05 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-27 11:28 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 12:07 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-27 12:47 -0800
                Re: Multi-channel rand() James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-27 14:47 -0800
  Re: Multi-channel rand() "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:58 -0800

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