Re: which one is better

From	Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid>
Organization	Go, ion artisan!
Subject	Re: which one is better
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
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Date	2014-12-12 14:10 +0000

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BartC wrote:

> On 12/12/2014 12:59, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> David Brown wrote:
> 
>>> and they don't give good enough
>>> specifications of the sizes for applications that need to know exact
>>> types.
>>
>> This is probably where we're going to fall out. I would argue that
>> applications don't need to know exact sizes. You only need to know that
>> the type is, or is not, big enough to express the range of values that
>> you wish to store in it.
> 
> You haven't been writing the right sorts of applications then.

I am in the exact centre of the observable universe, and from where I'm 
standing all the applications I've been writing have been the right sorts. 
:-)

> For example, you sometimes have to create a struct where the fields
> match exactly those used in a foreign function or across some interface.

If you can do it with intn_t types, you can do it with chars, ints, and 
longs.

> 
> Or you really need to minimise storage where a 16-bit int would be
> perfect, but just using 'short' won't guarantee anything.

A guy on sci.crypt once told me it was impossible to implement his 
encryption algorithm in ISO C, because he needed a 19-bit integer type. I 
showed him how to do this in ISO C. It's not hard. Here, let me see if I can 
find it for you. (Here goes Google Groups... back in a minute.)

Minute? Ha!

<39F9F783.1C550CE4@eton.powernet.co.uk>

This shows how, with a little tweaking (I seem to have used unsigned int 
when unsigned long int would have been wiser), you can store n-bit integers 
for any n you like (limited only by the size of the int that you use to 
report its value). It didn't take long to implement. I've never needed it 
since, because I don't generally have a use for exactly-n-bit types, but 
it's there now.

> 
> Or, you are implementing another language, and wish to use C as a
> target, and that other language does specify such widths in detail so
> you need to generate just the right int and float types.

How about "you are having an argument on Usenet, and need a spurious 
justification for fixed-width types"? :-)

> 
> Or, you are specifying an interface in C to be called by outside
> functions or applications, and you need to have something less vague
> than an 'int' or 'long'. Etc.

I don't think that either int or long is vague. In fact, I think they are 
very precisely defined.

> 
>>> Then we
>>> would not need the <stdint.h> types (at least, not until 128-bit types
>>> become common).  But that's not the way the C standards are written.
>>
>> No. They're written in such a way that the implementor is free to offer a
>> 4096-bit int type if need be. (The day may well come when this won't
>> sound quite so ludicrous as it does at the time of writing.)
> 
> Whatever happens, using an array of exact 16-bit ints will use 1/256 the
> memory and bandwidth as an array of 4096-bit widths.

See above Message-ID.

> And 99% of the values that people want to store in integers will still
> fit into a 32-bit or 64-bit size.

It is probably just as accurate to say that 99% of the values that people 
want to store in integers will still fit into an 8-bit size.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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      Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-11 16:45 +0000
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          Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 09:23 +0000
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              Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 10:43 +0000
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                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 11:43 +0000
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                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 13:25 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 05:57 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 14:15 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 06:49 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 14:51 +0000
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                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 14:34 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 15:08 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 15:55 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 00:52 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 08:05 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 00:25 -0800
                Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-14 14:33 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-14 23:28 +0000
                Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-14 15:42 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 01:07 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 02:44 -0800
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 11:02 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:13 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:26 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 11:19 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:31 -0800
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 11:50 +0000
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 11:59 +0000
                Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-15 10:50 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:15 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:31 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:39 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:43 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:52 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 05:10 -0800
                Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-15 12:43 +0100
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 11:59 +0000
                Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-15 14:03 +0100
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 13:28 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 06:09 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 06:35 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 03:13 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 14:06 +0000
                Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-15 10:46 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 10:53 -0800
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 19:20 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 12:18 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 12:40 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:03 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:05 -0800
                Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-15 11:32 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:38 -0800
                Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-15 17:20 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 09:40 -0800
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 17:59 +0000
                Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-15 10:34 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 10:01 -0800
                Re: which one is better gordonb.3j8fq@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2014-12-16 10:18 -0600
                Re: which one is better Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-12-15 18:08 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 10:37 -0800
                Re: which one is better Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-12-15 21:05 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:10 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:18 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 22:22 +0000
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:58 -0800
                Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-15 15:34 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 17:25 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 02:55 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 03:20 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 03:37 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 05:00 -0800
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 01:41 +0000
                Re: which one is better Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-18 02:33 -0600
                Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-18 00:42 -0800
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-14 21:47 +0000
                Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-14 15:55 -0800
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 16:03 -0800
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 00:54 +0000
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-16 10:55 +0000
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-16 11:11 +0000
                Re: which one is better Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:01 +1300
                Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-15 10:09 +0100
                Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-12 15:58 +0100
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 15:41 +0000
                Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-12 18:27 +0000
                Re: which one is better Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-13 08:42 +1300
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 19:59 +0000
                Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-12 07:39 -0800
                Re: which one is better gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-12-12 16:05 +0000
                Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-12 08:16 -0800
                Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 16:43 +0000
                Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-12 14:01 +0000
                Re: which one is better rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2014-12-12 06:15 -0800
                Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-12 16:10 +0000
                Re: which one is better rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2014-12-12 08:28 -0800
                Re: which one is better gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-12-12 15:27 +0000
                Re: which one is better gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-12-12 14:39 +0000
                Re: which one is better Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2014-12-12 11:11 -0600
                Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 09:34 -0800
    Re: which one is better Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-12 21:47 +1300
      Re: which one is better Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2014-12-16 12:30 -0500
        Re: which one is better Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-12-16 12:21 -0600
          Re: which one is better Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-16 13:06 -0600
            Re: which one is better Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-12-16 16:44 -0600
              Re: which one is better Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-16 18:21 -0600
    Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 01:04 -0800
      Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 02:06 -0800
        Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 02:24 -0800

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