Re: "Repeaters", etc.

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: "Repeaters", etc.
Date	2024-05-28 19:40 +0200
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On Tue 28 May 2024 at 18:11:48 (+0100), debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 May 2024 11:31:29 +0100 "mick.crane" wrote:
> > 
> > >Is there not some system that runs ethernet over the mains wiring or
> > >did I misunderstand it.  
> > 
> > Yes, there is.  I believe you're thinking of powerline adaptors.  They
> > do require everything be on the same circuit, however.
> 
> I have a powerline adapter (Devolo units). There's no such restriction,
> as far as I know. My powerline transmitter and receiver are certainly
> on different circuits.
> 
> > The way electrical wiring is done in the UK often means separate
> > floors are on different circuits, and in larger properties, each
> > floor might be on two (or more) circuits, making it difficult, at
> > best, to get the whole building networked this way.  And that's
> > assuming ring circuits, if everything is on a radial, you're stymied.
> 
> Most houses in the UK are wired to a single phase, so everything is
> connected together at the consumer unit and powerline works just fine.
> If you have a specific problem, then there are DIN rail powerline units
> designed specifically to be mounted in the CU to spread the signal
> better over ALL the circuits.
> 
> If your house has 3-phase wiring, which is unusual in the UK, then you
> may have a problem because powerline signals do need to be on the same
> phase.

I was under the impression that 3-phase to a private residence
contravenes building regulations, as that would make 440V available
for you to electrocute yourself.

This house is radially wired, and has two circuit boxes 100 feet apart
connected by a 100A cable. Powerline connectors work fine between any
points in either half of the house. I have two PL500s (two ports) and
two PL1200s (one port), all Netgear.

I've temporarily connected this computer to a PL500 in a GFIC socket
(kitchen kettle), and backed up my local mailboxes to a computer in
the attic in the other half of the house which is on a PL1200. I get
6MB/s transfer speeds.

Obviously they didn't work between the two halves when the old half's
circuit box was still powered from the easement at the back, and the
new half's 200A box powered from the front street.

On Tue 28 May 2024 at 07:39:39 (-0400), Paul M Foster wrote:
>
> We're moving across the state, and from what I've seen, providers there
> will do something similar-- provide a router and/or modem which has wired
> and wireless capabilities. However, because the house is not prewired for
> internet, we must solve the problem of getting internet to the computers
> and devices in the house. I'm not a fan of wifi, versus hard-wired
> internet. It's not as reliable, and it's slower. Thus, I want cat 5/6 to my
> devices. I could possibly wire the house with cat 5/6 through the attic,
> but I'd rather not. Since the wifi signal will permeate the whole house, it
> seemed more reasonable to plant a device in each room which could pick up
> the wifi, and provide wired internet to that room.

I can't help thinking that you can "plant a device" on each computer
that doesn't have wifi by buying dongles. That is, unless you have
more than one computer in a room and they must be wire-interconnected.

For good coverage upstairs, I'd get a cable from wherever to the attic
and put another router up there. You could feed the signal through the
soffits easily enough.

Cheers,
David.

Thread

"Repeaters", etc. Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-27 23:10 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. eben@gmx.us - 2024-05-27 23:40 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-05-27 23:40 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-05-28 01:10 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-05-28 01:10 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2024-05-28 02:00 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 05:20 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 20:50 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-05-28 01:10 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-05-28 01:20 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-05-28 13:40 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-05-28 13:40 +0200
      Re: "Repeaters", etc. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-05-28 14:20 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-05-29 22:30 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-05-28 19:20 +0200
      Re: "Repeaters", etc. Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2024-05-28 19:30 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-05-28 19:40 +0200
          Re: "Repeaters", etc. Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 20:00 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-05-29 02:50 +0200
              Re: "Repeaters", etc. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-05-29 17:10 +0200
                Re: "Repeaters", etc. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-12 19:30 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 20:00 +0200
          Re: "Repeaters", etc. "rtnetzlof@windstream.net" <rtnetzlof@windstream.net> - 2024-05-28 20:30 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. eben@gmx.us - 2024-05-28 21:30 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-05-28 21:50 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 23:50 +0200
              Re[2]: "Repeaters", etc. "Michael Grant" <mgrant@grant.org> - 2024-05-29 00:20 +0200
          Re: "Repeaters", etc. "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-05-28 21:30 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-05-28 21:50 +0200
              Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-05-29 01:40 +0200
                Re: "Repeaters", etc. John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-05-29 02:20 +0200
                Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-05-29 08:40 +0200
          Re: "Repeaters", etc. Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-05-29 23:00 +0200
      Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-05-28 19:40 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 20:10 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-05-29 12:30 +0200
      Re: "Repeaters", etc. Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 23:00 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 04:00 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 04:10 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-05-28 04:50 +0200
      Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 05:20 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 08:30 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2024-05-28 10:50 +0200
          Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 13:50 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-05-28 14:40 +0200
              Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-05-28 18:30 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-05-28 17:20 +0200
              Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 eben@gmx.us - 2024-05-28 17:40 +0200
              Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 20:10 +0200
                Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 eben@gmx.us - 2024-05-28 21:20 +0200
                Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-05-29 16:40 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. - FRITZ!Box 7490 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-05-29 18:30 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 06:10 +0200
      Re: "Repeaters", etc. Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-28 07:00 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-05-28 08:20 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-28 07:30 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-05-28 08:10 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Roger Price <roger@rogerprice.org> - 2024-05-28 10:00 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-05-29 00:50 +0200
      Re: "Repeaters", etc. Roger Price <roger@rogerprice.org> - 2024-05-29 13:00 +0200
        Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-05-29 22:50 +0200
          Re: "Repeaters", etc. Roger Price <roger@rogerprice.org> - 2024-05-30 12:40 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-05-30 13:20 +0200
            Re: "Repeaters", etc. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-05-31 01:30 +0200
  Re: "Repeaters", etc. Jessica Litwin <jessica@litw.in> - 2024-05-29 12:50 +0200
    Re: "Repeaters", etc. Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2024-05-29 13:30 +0200

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