Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)

From	Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)
Date	2024-02-08 16:30 +0100
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Hello,

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 06:55:04PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> So, I must admit, I am quite tempted by BX1600MI which would cost me
> about £183. The equivalent spec in the Pro range is more than twice
> this price.

[ TL;DR: While free software like apcupsd or nut support all APC
  models that you can buy today, APC (Schneider Electric) the
  company only supports its own Windows-only Powerchute and won't do
  a warranty claim unless you can run that. I therefore question the
  device's suitability to a Linux environment. ]

Just as an update, I bought the APC Back-UPS BX1600MI and while
superficially it seems fine, using "apcupsd" and/or "nut" it reports
a constant stream of short-lived (less than 1 second) battery
detach/re-attach and powerfail/restore events.

The unit itself doesn't show any audible or visual alarm but as
these events are sub-second in duration I don't know if they are
just too quick for that.

Someone on the apcupsd mailing list thinks I have a faulty UPS or
battery and should get a replacement.

APC refuses to proceed with a warranty claim because they don't
support apcupsd or nut, only their own proprietary Powerchute. They
won't proceed unless I can get Powerchute to show these events or a
failed self-test. I can't do that because I don't have any Windows
machines. I do not overly want to buy a Windows licence, run it
in a VM and pass USB through to that VM just to try this.

While in theory if I had heeded the warnings about Back-UPS being of
lesser quality I might have bought a more expensive model that
wasn't faulty (or at least did not have this problem, whatever it
is), I am disappointed to learn that APC will not proceed with
warranty claims unless you can run some Windows software, which puts
me off the entire product range.

Having said that, I don't need to do a warranty claim. As it was
only purchased a couple of weeks ago, consumer law allows me to
return it to the seller as faulty whether they accept that or not,
so I'll likely do that. It's just disappointing and a lot more
hassle.

Thanks,
Andy

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rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 17:30 +0100
  Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 18:30 +0100
    Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Keith Bainbridgge <keithrbaugroups@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 00:10 +0100
    Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 02:30 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 08:40 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-18 12:10 +0100
        Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-18 12:20 +0100
          Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-18 12:50 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2024-01-18 14:00 +0100
  Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2024-01-17 19:30 +0100
    Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 21:00 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-17 21:20 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-17 22:00 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2024-01-18 02:40 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-01-18 12:20 +0100
        Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> - 2024-01-18 13:50 +0100
          Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-18 14:10 +0100
            Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> - 2024-01-18 15:30 +0100
            Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-01-26 16:40 +0100
              Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-26 17:30 +0100
                Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-01-28 18:00 +0100
          Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-26 16:20 +0100
            Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after) fxkl47BF@protonmail.com - 2024-01-26 16:30 +0100
            Re: Home UPS recommendations Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-26 16:40 +0100
              Re: Home UPS recommendations Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2024-01-26 17:20 +0100
              Re: Home UPS recommendations "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2024-01-26 17:20 +0100
            Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2024-01-26 19:10 +0100
              Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-26 20:50 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2024-01-27 11:00 +0100
            Re: Home UPS recommendations Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-26 20:10 +0100
              Re: Home UPS recommendations ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2024-01-26 20:30 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-01-26 21:50 +0100
            Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-01-28 19:00 +0100
              Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-28 20:00 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs  rsync--delete-after) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-29 07:00 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 16:30 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-02-08 17:30 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-02-08 17:40 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-02-08 18:00 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-09 12:10 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-02-09 13:10 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-09 22:40 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-02-09 23:30 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after) "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-02-09 17:40 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-09 18:20 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-02-10 01:10 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync  --delete-after) hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-09 22:50 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after) "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-02-11 19:10 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-02-09 18:20 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-02-09 21:40 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-09 22:50 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-02-10 01:00 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-10 03:20 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-02-10 04:30 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-10 11:10 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-02-10 15:00 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-10 16:50 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-02-10 19:50 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 22:50 +0100
                Re: Home UPS recommendations hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-11 02:00 +0100
          Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-01-26 16:20 +0100
            Re: Data and hardware protection measures; was: rsync --delete vs  rsync --delete-after Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-26 17:00 +0100
              Re: Data and hardware protection measures; was: rsync --delete vs  rsync --delete-after hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-01-28 19:30 +0100
                Re: Data and hardware protection measures Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-01-28 20:30 +0100
                Re: Data and hardware protection measures Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-28 21:50 +0100
            Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> - 2024-01-27 14:10 +0100
  Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-18 05:20 +0100
    Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-18 15:40 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-18 16:10 +0100
      Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2024-01-18 22:10 +0100
        Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-18 22:50 +0100
          Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 03:40 +0100
          Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2024-01-19 08:10 +0100

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