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On 19/01/2024 23:02, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 19 Jan 2024 at 17:25:10 (+0000), debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote:
>> Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I won, and you lost
>>
>> There shouldn't be a comma in that sentence, in English. There is in
>> the closely related expression "I won, you lost."

Anything other than this *accurate* statement would have led to a caning 
in my grammar school in the late '40s. :-)

Peter HB

> That's rather proscriptive. "I won and you lost." and
> "I won, and you lost." are two different sentences.
> 
> The first is a more neutral statement of fact. The
> second carries an implication of triumphalism or
> mockery: many speakers would expect a swoop upwards
> in intonation on "won", a pause, and a steep drop
> between "you" and "lost"; kinda like:
> 
>    -⭜   ·¯⭝
> 
> if that works in your font.
> 
> What you lose (sorry) in "I won, you lost." is the
> anacrusis, the ·, which many would pronounce "ən",
> as in ənyeeoo. Without it, I'd be inclined to write
> "I won. You lost." (similar intonation).
> 
> Disclaimer: my choice of intonation was to illustrate
> one difference. There are many more ways of saying
> all of those sentences.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

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