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Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

From "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
Date 2024-01-17 18:30 +0100
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Hi,

David Christensen wrote:
> I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the kernel,
> as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems.

That's not in the kernel but in udev/systemd's process of creating the
symbolic links in /dev/disk/by-id/.
It gets /dev/sd[h-l] and /dev/sd[h-l]1 as kernel generated device files.
But sd[ij] and also sd[hl] show pair-wise the same serial numbers.
In case of sd[ij] the outcome is mixed: links to sdi and sdj1 survive.
In case of sd[hl] we see a less strange outcome: sdh and sdh1, while
sdl and sdl1 are missing.

The open question (at least to me) is whether it's the disks or the
controllers or the drivers which cause the duplication.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 03:50 +0100
  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2024-01-13 04:00 +0100
  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-13 04:00 +0100
    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 06:00 +0100
      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-13 16:50 +0100
        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 18:10 +0100
        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 18:30 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-13 19:50 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 00:30 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2024-01-14 14:40 +0100
    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-01-14 11:40 +0100
      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-14 17:30 +0100
  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-01-13 06:40 +0100
  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-14 13:50 +0100
    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 20:50 +0100
      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-15 01:50 +0100
        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 02:20 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 14:50 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-15 19:50 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 23:00 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-15 21:00 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 00:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 01:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 01:10 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 00:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 01:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 01:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 02:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 03:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-16 04:00 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 07:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2024-01-16 09:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 12:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Valerio Vanni <valerio.vanni@inwind.it> - 2024-01-16 13:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-17 01:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 03:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 16:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-16 15:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 15:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-16 15:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-17 01:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-16 17:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 03:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 07:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 15:30 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 18:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 18:30 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 20:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 21:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 22:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 22:40 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-18 04:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 22:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 08:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 16:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 17:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 21:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 22:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-01-17 17:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 18:20 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 21:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 22:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 01:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 02:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 05:30 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 07:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 07:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 10:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 12:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 22:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-19 07:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-19 08:30 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-19 22:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-20 01:20 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-20 08:00 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-21 22:20 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-22 00:30 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 06:50 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-22 19:00 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-23 08:40 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-18 08:40 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-19 11:00 +0100
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                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-01-18 17:40 +0100
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