was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone]

From	gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
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Subject	was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone]
Date	2024-01-06 13:00 +0100
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On 1/6/24 01:18, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 06/01/2024 12:18, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/5/24 23:29, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 09:01:29PM -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:
>>>> tzdata (2023d-1) unstable; urgency=medium
>>>>
>>>>      upstream backward file) were moved to tzdata-legacy. This 
>>>> includes the
>>>
>>>> What's wrong with NTP, too simple?
>>>
>>> NTP and tzdata have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> I see no relation to NTP as well. Somebody decided that 
> /usr/share/zoneinfo is full of garbage and needs clean up:
> 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2023-January/042405.html
> 
> Some people prefer to not have tzdata at all:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AllowRemovalOfTzdata
> 
>> I do not live in one of those special locations so I assume it won't 
>> affect me, but there is a small percentage here and in many other 
>> country's that live in locations that don't follow DST for some reason. 
> 
> DST is unrelated as well.
> 
> The change affects those who rely on POSIX-like EST5EDT timezones or on 
> obsolete ones like Europe/Kyiv (recently renamed from Europe/Kiev). 
> Those who provides various calendar services have significant 
> probability to face user issues.
> 
> Doesn't this change affect trixie while bookworm will stick to current 
> package style?
> 
> 
> .
Well, since /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC is a link to 
/usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/UTC now, it would save about 4 megabytes worth 
of duplicates and links that is an organizational mess for the 
maintainer now. On the face of it. 25 years overdue? Put all system 
clocks on UTC, and then /etc/timezone is the actual string specifying 
the local offset. No doubt some user confusion, but overall a lot simpler.

Related subject:
Since I have several machines on my local network here, I've just been 
thru hell trying to get them all on the same page, and with debian 
version of ntpsec being happy with a single pool entry pointing to the 
ntpsec on this machine, it foiled my plans to reduce the load on the 
debian server pool by making this machine a stratum 2 server as some, 
not all, of the armbian boxes fail to sync at all with only one pool entry.

Or I'm still doing it wrong, always a possibility. If someone knows how 
to reliably sync to a single pool entry, I'm all ears.

Or, if someone know how to make systemd's timesyncd actually work, I've 
not been able to do that on 7 machines here, that would be appreciated 
too.  Lack of documentation (man pages) for that puppy is a major 
blockaid here on bookworm.  To me, its a potential solution in search of 
a problem that with chrony or ntpsec working, doesn't exist. chrony also 
claims to be an ntp server lookalike, again lack of docs to make it work 
are the problem. If docs on chrony exist, where the heck are they?  And 
what file utility do we have to read them with that actually works?.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
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                Re: systemd and timezone (was: Re: difference in seconds between two  formatted dates ...) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-21 07:00 +0100
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                Re: systemd and timezone Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-23 02:20 +0100
                Re: systemd and timezone <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-22 17:10 +0100
                Re: systemd and timezone Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-22 21:00 +0100
                Re: systemd and timezone Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-12-22 23:40 +0100
                Re: systemd and timezone Charles Kroeger <mbone@gmx.co.uk> - 2024-01-06 03:30 +0100
                Re: systemd and timezone Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-06 05:30 +0100
                Re: systemd and timezone gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-06 06:40 +0100
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                Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 08:10 +0100
                Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2024-01-06 10:20 +0100
                Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-06 13:10 +0100
                Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-06 16:10 +0100
                Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-07 18:30 +0100
                was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-06 13:00 +0100
                Re: was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-01-06 15:30 +0100
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                Re: was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 18:10 +0100
                Re: was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-06 20:40 +0100
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                Re: systemd-timesyncd gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-07 21:20 +0100
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                Re: systemd-timesyncd "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-01-07 22:00 +0100
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                Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd) Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 01:00 +0100
                Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-09 09:20 +0100
                Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd) Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-09 10:40 +0100
                Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-09 11:20 +0100
                Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-01-09 11:40 +0100
                Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-09 12:30 +0100
                Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd) "Niall O'Reilly" <niall+lists@no8.be> - 2024-01-08 21:50 +0100
                Re: systemd-timesyncd gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-08 16:00 +0100
                Re: systemd-timesyncd gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-08 16:00 +0100
                Re: systemd-timesyncd Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 04:40 +0100
                Re: systemd-timesyncd Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-01-08 18:00 +0100
                Re: systemd-timesyncd Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 04:20 +0100
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                Re: mktime (was: Re: systemd and timezone) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-23 19:30 +0100
                Re: mktime Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-24 03:40 +0100
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                Re: systemd and timezone Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 16:30 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-22 03:20 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-22 08:00 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-12-21 05:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 06:50 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 07:10 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-21 08:10 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-21 13:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 16:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-21 19:30 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-21 21:00 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-21 21:10 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-21 21:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-21 22:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-22 00:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-25 16:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-25 18:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-26 08:00 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2023-12-26 08:30 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-26 16:00 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-26 16:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-26 19:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-26 22:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-27 01:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-27 01:50 +0100
                When strace breaks process or is blocked (was: Re: difference in  seconds between two formatted dates ...) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-27 17:50 +0100
            Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-18 03:30 +0100
              Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-25 00:10 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-12-25 01:10 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2023-12-25 01:30 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-25 02:20 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-25 11:40 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2023-12-25 09:10 +0100
                Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-27 00:00 +0100
        Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-17 19:00 +0100
        Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-12-17 19:30 +0100
    Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2023-12-17 12:50 +0100
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  Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-17 15:10 +0100

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